Wind power: for or against the wind?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

I find it nice and more.

Do not abuse it either.

To USA.



If not really nice, there is this:
Barton Wind Farm, Worth County Iowa

It's a bit specious

It's mostly a ugly picture of a lousy landscape compared to a beautiful picture of a beautiful landscape.
The landscape of the 1 photo does not need wind turbines to be ALREADY ugly than the landscape of the photo 2 WITH its wind turbine

Wherever they are wind turbines are beautiful only because (until proven otherwise) they produce clean renewable energy

The problem often arises from the fact that the defenders of wind turbines want it everywhere, or say as much as possible on condition that they are not put in their field of vision

But we can be reassured it is the same with a lot of things, those who defend, promote or call their vows ... call their wishes especially FAR from their personal properties: prisons, high speed lines, airports, landfills, dams (although fashion has gone but when I was young all the ecologists were against the dams that engulfed the valleys), the training flights of our fighter pilots over the swimming pools of the Luberon , psychiatric hospitals, refugee centers, and so on.

[moinsdewatt]

The 28 October there was a record wind generation in Europe with 24.6% of the electricity generated by the wind.

New European record for wind energy

October 31, 2017 evwind

European wind energy broke a new record on Saturday October 28, 2017.

On Saturday, almost a quarter (24.6%) of the EU's electricity demand is powered by wind. It was the highest percentage ever recorded, beating the previous record of 19.9% set on 7 October 2017. Offshore Wind Represented 2.8% of EU's electricity demand and onshore wind 21.8%.

Wind represented 109% of Denmark's electricity demand and 61% in Germany.

WindEurope's analysis of production in Europe (89.9 GW), Germany (39.1 GW), Poland (5.1 GW) and Norway (0.9 GW) in the evening.

The new record can be explained by the continued expansion of wind energy in Europe. It is also one of the most powerful and strong winds of central, eastern and south-eastern Europe.

https://www.evwind.es/2017/10/31/new-eu ... ergy/61629

[Meszigues3]

Too much production on a Saturday and a Sunday when demand is low, hence negative prices disrupting the market:
- 83,06 € / MWh in Germany for almost two days.

http://www.epexspot.com/fr/donnees_de_marche/dayaheadfixing/auction-table/2017-10-29/DE

[moinsdewatt]

France: a drop in renewable electricity production related to hydraulics

AFP 16 Nov 2017

Renewable energies (wind, solar, hydropower, etc ...) covered 18,9% of French electricity consumption in the third quarter, a level down due to lower hydroelectric production, according to a report released Thursday.

Compared to the same period last year, this represents a decrease of 3%, which is explained by the drop of 18% in hydroelectric production, details the "Panorama of renewable electricity", published by the managers of networks RTE and Enedis, the Renewable Energies Union (SER) and the Association of Electricity Distributors in France (Adeef). France has known for several months a lack of water supply to its dams, especially those installed on the Rhône, where the production of the Compagnie Nationale du Rhône (CNR) is expected to fall by 30% this year.

The installed renewable fleet increased overall by 661 megawatts (MW) in the third quarter, to reach a total capacity of 47 525 MW, which is 92% of the national target set for 2018 due to the weight of the existing hydroelectric fleet. In detail, 474 MW of wind turbines have been installed for 170 MW solar and 13 MW in the bioenergy power line. In wind, the park reached at 30 September 12 820 MW and the industry has reached 86% of its targets for 2018, 15 000 MW.
In the solar, the park reaches a total power of 7 239 MW71% of the target 10 200 MW target for 2018.

https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... que-171116

and in the last 12 hours the production of wind at the RTE site is 1.2 GW. That's barely 10% load factor.
Fortunately, we have nukes.

[moinsdewatt]

France: New wind record at 9.416 GW on Thursday 23 November 2017 at 04h30

http://www.rte-france.com/fr/eco2mix/ec ... nergetique

[Meszigues3]

France: New wind record at 9.416 GW on Thursday 23 November 2017 at 04h30

As a result, prices have fallen to negative levels in Germany (contrary to the legend of the proliferation, there is correlation between the European winds)
https://www.energy-charts.de/price.htm?year=2017&auction=15m&week=47
In France the price of MWh was then at 16,76 €.

Too bad we can not store wind power even for a few hours: the MWh was the same day in 114,64 € to 16h00 in Italy and 79,18 € in France at 18h00. (source RTE, market data)

[Ahmed]

Meszigues3it would be nice if you separated the text quoted from your own comment, it would be more readable ...

Edit: corrected by Remundo

[Meszigues3]

Meszigues3it would be nice if you separated the text quoted from your own comment, it would be more readable ...

Edit: corrected by Remundo

I saw, I tried but did not know (probably because I wanted to delete the image to not repeat it and unnecessarily burden the message.

Thank you anyway.

[Did67]

Do not abuse it either.

But from the highway or wind turbines, it's hard to define what is ugliest! The most polluting, that, we know!

[Did67]

Too bad we can not store wind power even for a few hours: the MWh was the same day in 114,64 € to 16h00 in Italy and 79,18 € in France at 18h00. (source RTE, market data)

Too bad the electricity is stored so badly. Too bad nuclear power plants do not regulate themselves well. Too bad the price reductions are not returned to users, who would quickly have to adapt part of their demand. Too bad there is no more cogeneration from biomethane, an energy that is "stored naturally" [if we wanted, here too, to pass on price variations to producers, who could not easily cogenerate for peak hours, on condition of doubling or tripling their storage capacity and their cogeneration units).

In short, a pity that we are not more intelligent (in the mean sense) ...