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by sen-no-sen » 02/12/11, 14:02

When we talk about Israel we enter the forbidden zone!
It is a very "sensitive" subject.

Like a child beaten by his parents, who become adults hitting his turn (in a small portion of cases well on), Israel shrinks the abused child syndrome.
The pogroms, the Holocaust, it was such a trauma in Israel now systematically bellicose trend vis a vis any external threat.
Israel was born in the pain of the holocaust, it appears that this suffering is reflected in behavior bordering on paranoia.

For Iran (I am willing to tell the government, not the people), the United States and Israel are Zionist entity and the lair of the Great Satan.
Once again the terrifying dangers seen mixture Policy / religion ... especially since after their interpretation of the Koran, Israel must disappear ...

NB: in the Qur'an, the antichrist will be born ... in Iran!
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by Obamot » 02/12/11, 14:47

The fight against terrorism share the same paradigm: the fear of the "other"!

According to some historians, the "Hatred of Jews"Possibly on their discriminatory practices, sectarianism of their religious practices, etc., but probably based on a lot of jealousy ... as much before the "cause" to which they belong today (Holocaust), themselves and many theologians, even date back to Judas ...

But at this price we can also reopen all war fronts completed since 5'000 years in the world! And solve the same time all demographic problems (it's a metaphor!).

I was one day to the WHO, and asked one of the leaders, why this world organization, was not protected by erecting around, a kind of Fort Knox type of wall almost by locking themselves in a blockhouse as saw fit to have to do the UN to "protect terrorism! "

"It's simple" (To me he said) "Because we, we have nothing to reproach ourselves".

The day Israel will decide to cut down the "wall of shame 'they have built (as some observers call it) that day we can say that something positive has changed in this country! (What do they need a wall, moreover, since they have nuclear weapons ... therefore it is clear that she did not even put them away ...)

It's so absurd that I prefer not to take a stand. Moreover it is not possible with them, since you risk being treated as "anti-Semites" if you do not share their opinions ... (Even though they do not really know the semantics of this word!)
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by sen-no-sen » 02/12/11, 15:13

Obamot wrote:According to some historians, the "Hatred of Jews"Concerning their discriminatory practices, sectarianism of their religious practices, etc. well before the "cause" to which they belong today (Holocaust), themselves and many theologians, even Judas back .. .


The Holocaust is a powerful defense for Israel to justify a war policy.
All the domineering countries we used these types of schemes since the beginning of time, invoking God, the war against terrorism etc ...

Moreover it can not be with them, since you risk to make you treat "anti-Semites" if you do not share Lerus opinions ... Even though they do not even know the semantics of the word !


Shlomo Sand Israeli historian has recently thrown a pavement in the fed up with his book:The Invention of the Jewish People explaining that most Jews ... was not (genetically speaking).
Under this general term it would be made in various European and other tribes converted to Judaism during the Middle Ages, and as assimilated Jewish time, the Israeli nation relying only on a mythical founder narrative to justify its existence.
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by moinsdewatt » 04/12/11, 20:21

The Iranian army announced Sunday that it had destroyed an American reconnaissance aircraft over the eastern part of the country, reports the official Arabic-language Al Alam television channel citing an anonymous military source.

"Iran's armed forces shot down an American RQ-170 type drone in the east of the country," the channel said.


http://www.europe1.fr/International/L-I ... in-846725/

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The Iranian armed forces shot down an American RQ-170 type drone in the east of the country, "the channel said." This spy drone which is not too damaged was seized by the Iranian armed forces. "

"The Iranian military response to this violation of our airspace by this spy drone will not be limited to Iran's borders," the same source added.

In July, Iran announced that it had shot down an American drone near the holy city of Qom, not far from the Fordu nuclear site.

http://www.challenges.fr/monde/20111204 ... -pays.html

To see if it is true or a blow of propaganda.
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by Christophe » 05/12/11, 11:13

1 + ...

Obamot, quickly pass a shot of Ajax window on your ball ... crystal (I prefer to specify those not follow eh!) !!
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by Obamot » 05/12/11, 22:18

Ajax put on my crystal ball is not enough to remove the veil of uncertainty that prevails among each other ... : Cheesy:

There are not only drones, but also political assassinations ... And even civilians, since targeted at researchers and mathematicians, or even computer scientists and Iranian engineers ... (unless ...)

Alas, because they make us forget the violence that this regime would be able to do (note the conditional).

Remember the armed brigades in motorcycles, masked and dressed in black who were attacking the population during public demonstrations, not hesitating to beat the protesters, even to kill them on the street in front of everyone (militia Bassidji ). Let us remember the sad end of Neda, who had just got out of a car, shot a bullet in the head, while she was in the company of her piano teacher, and several of her comrades.

The images of all these abuses, taken from mobile phones had been around the world within hours. Even as the regime in Tehran, accusing the West of being behind these disorders.

Curiously, two years after these sad events held at public events, we have seen similar scenarios in the breed "Arab Spring". Presented initially as "spontaneous movements", it was very quickly disappointed to learn that the CIA was behind the initiators with dollars milion (they have acknowledged, through the voice of the CIA) and then in this case, it is well with his NATO strike force on the ground in Libya, with billions ... heinhein!

Thus, even if everything is possible, it seems to me notorious that if something were to happen again on the part of the West, we would see it happen in one way or another! Either with a spectacular event of type 9 / 11 (possibly again "instrumentalized"But completely different), a real attack after harassment / repeated provocations on Iran, to make them" crack "and lead them to fault.

The real question to which I have no answer is why I launched the Arab Spring, respectively in at least five countries: Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Syria, while the most dangerous target would be the Iran? By cons, where I join you is that to make a war, you need a target of "choice"!

Now we may all be mistaken if we admit that Western policy is "healthy" and that a real danger exists, and that there is no aim on oil reserves ... (but I see at the back of the class who cough ...)

Regarding the America that is presidential campaign, I do not see an act of war program now, because in wartime the reflex of populations is often tend to rally around their president ... And as Republicans are eager to get back in control, it really would not be the time. And honestly, I do not see a Democrat like Obama, launching now in a warlike rhetoric, with desperate cases ...............vides

Among those "other side" to go to war by provocation would be a tactical error, because they might then see the hawks in control (I know, it is contradictory, but it would not be the first time. ..) and if they have war aims, they will want to wait for their "bomb" is prète and operational (if indeed that their nuclear program is oriented in this direction, but they swear us otherwise, is not not?................)

Besides, if there is a war now, it is against the euro, probably attack US over credit rating agencies. Because I do not know if you noticed, but America has lost its triple AAA with 65'000 billion of debt in total and we do not tell even more ... (Ni oil prices ... for that matter!)

Even as the single currency is attacked for some unfortunate hundreds of billions of euros ...

And meanwhile, America is beating us down again, and filling its order books with an industry that has to run at full speed, while Europe threatens it to go into recession and that besides the debt , there were no drastic problems here ... (If the unemployment rate, but that's not a scoop ...)

So a new war? Yes why not, but after the elections, no?
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by dedeleco » 05/12/11, 22:45

The US and the CIA are playing with fire, because the strategy of shock (or capitalism of the disaster), with the Arabs uncontrollable, the € and the war against Iran (Islamist of also to manipulations CIA before 1980), will make a worse disaster in the USA, already well underway on its weakest population.
So only a tiny circle in the US, very rich sheltered outside the US, hoping to make a profit with this madness.
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by Obamot » 06/12/11, 12:21

The fact is we do not know exactly what is happening, or "what to think"!

And this is voluntary and deliberate imho!

Otherwise how to explain these procrastination around the so-called "War against terrorism"? Paradigm confessed and formally abandoned by Obama ... but whose foundations remain, until .... Hollywood, and it's not innocent! You can take ALL américiaines series (or feature films people), and you will find that there is virtually no drama fails to talk about "terrorism", all more or less evil introduced into the scenario .. .! Sometimes it is crying awkwardness, so we see that it has been added or it arrives there without one does not understand very well why! At this point ... it goes beyond the notions of "secret service", we are in the audiovisual indecency, whereas if there are statistically the number of deaths and bombings in résultraient in Western countries, they must count on the fingers of the hand ... What's wrong ...

How else to explain the search for greater ethics and a desire for justice with the creation of the ICC, while at the same time we summarily executed without trial Ladden Ben .... even though many countries were concerned (many victims of different nationalities during 9 / 11, many countries embriguadés in the "coalition" in Iraq as in Afghanistan, and the most wanted man on the planet neutralized in a country is not at war, and without the approval of its authorities!), and with that, we should still believe in justice and the legitimacy of what our companies offer?

But what example is it given us? Sometimes I tell myself that mankind has not advanced one chouilla since the fifties ... The paradigm still looks the same, handling crowds continues unabated, and the con of citizen attempts to express an opinion is embedded in the form of billions of woueb pages that pollute the canvas ... It's like shouting in a ceaseless brouahah ...

I do not know if you have already seen the statistics of the most visited "hits" per week on the web? It is distressing to see how much people are herdsmen compared to what is called "the news" ... And the worst is that they are not for long ... The mending rarely hold more than a week ... After the "dominant mass" moves on! So gone in a few days: the anniversary of 9/11, Wikileaks and the worries of Assange, disappeared the movement of the indignant and the colossal debt of America to the tune of 65'000 billion dollars, forgotten the price of the barrel and neutrinos that would exceed the speed of light ...

Only Greece and other members of the PIGGS are mentioned, because promoting the recession must necessarily benefit those who make the propaganda ... Have you thought? If so, who benefits (ra) the crisis?
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by Remundo » 03/06/12, 12:51

The 01net site relays an article in The New York Times... not stung worms !! : Cheesy:
Stuxnet: a worm created by the US and Israel

Thunderblow in the columns of the New York Times: the American newspaper reveals that the United States and Israel jointly developed the worm that attacked the Natanz nuclear power plant.

We know who was behind Stuxnet, the mysterious worm that has shaken the Internet two years ago. According to information from David E. Sanger, New York Times reporter, it was the United States and Israel that jointly developed the software. Problem: their creation has escaped them!

Worthy of the best espionage movies, the article tells how the Bush administration has, from 2006, tried to curb the evolution of the Iranian nuclear program.
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So, in an attempt to curb Iran secretly progress, CIA and General James Cartwright, a specialist in cyber warfare, offer a "radically new idea" to the president: to develop an extremely sophisticated cyberarme to address the computers that control the Natanz plant.
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The mission will be entrusted to the NSA and the "8200 unit", a secret group of the Israeli army whose technical skills "rival those of the NSA," according to the journalist.

Stuxnet, which was called internally The Bug was first tested ... in the United States, where we secretly built a "virtual replica" of the Iranian power station.
[] The tests, especially successful - the worm manages to completely wreck the speed centrifuges - convince the Bush administration to launch the operation on the Iranian plant.

The emergence of Stuxnet
Yes but now, a bug in The Bug will almost derail the operation "Olympic Games": Stuxnet. "An error in the code led to copy the code into the computer of an engineer while connected centrifuges.
() Suddenly, the code was exposed, "says the reporter.

Barack Obama, anxious to see the code potentially causing damage in the wild, would have asked "if this thing had to be turned off" to its national security teams.

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by Obamot » 03/06/12, 13:45

Interesting to see that Obama is directly involved in an illegal operation.

Totally illegal ... Or some of what is happening out of control!

also interesting to see how these two statements are nested! So much so that this "detail" was not even challenged! These countries are therefore not totally to the popular will of their citizens, since the resultant is a sort of nebula of supra-national power, in which decisions would be made in the greatest secrecy, since voluntarily escaping any control of the respective legislature and executive of these two states ...

It's pure madness.

To say whether they think they are above the law and global governance, and that nothing can stop them! (I refer to this forum, you know, the so-called security Council UN, within the confines of which independent states deemed disserteraient year-length triumph for the rule of law ...).

Well, well ... bein next 9 / 11 (inside job or not, but yes given this revelation) is the rupee starling ... : Cheesy:
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