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by chatelot16 » 05/04/10, 13:59

no we don't care: it is precisely the kind of individual who believes himself capable of surviving alone who also says that he will kill other humans ...

it is precisely the fight between the idiots who have survived that will make it very difficult to reorganize the first generation

I am convinced that in the event of a big disaster all knowledge will be lost and will not pass to the next generation
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by edfed » 05/04/10, 15:00

I do, I tell you, I don't care.
by dint of seeing how most people turn, always one to make the chef, always one to make the sheep, always one to want more than the others, always one to make the crook, the dishonest, the trickster, the traitor , or the tyrant ..

I prefer to be a lone wolf and that's it.
afterwards, that doesn't prevent me from having a wrong side, from changing my mind afterwards, but there, at the moment, the circumstances mean that I think like that.

if it is found, once confronted with the reality of an apocalypse, the generous being who sleeps will wake up, to help others.

to "know" it so precious, I think it would be enough for a small part of people "to touch everything" to survive to pass it on.

not specialists, there will be enough afterwards, just people curious about everything, who have tried a lot of things, read a bunch of documents, that should be enough at least to keep a semblance of the technique that we will be worth the loss of this modern civilization.

the simplified modern technique, plus all the basic technique of a century ago will be enough to recreate a world of technology in a short time, about one or two generations, as has happened in the past.
at the time of the industrial revolution, knowledge has become exponential, so has technology ... knowledge created from scratch by the tyrants of science. consorsiums in the pay of the financiers of the time.

2012 is coming soon. : Lol:
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by sen-no-sen » 05/04/10, 18:39

bernardd wrote:
feelings, or emotions?

In many countries, I have found that survival is very much linked to laughter and joy, weaknesses depend on situations ...

Otherwise, the lionesses prefer the stronger, the meat is better and the hunting more fun :-)


In many countries, what we call survival is only daily life for a number of peoples (eg Aborigines, Buchmen, Punan Indians, etc.).
Wildlife should not be confused with survival, even if the two terms are parallel.
The degree of adaptation and reaction of an individual (or an animal of course) to a given situation, will precisely determine whether there is a survival situation or not.
For a Buchmen to find himself in a desert zone by + 45C °, it is normal life, for us "industrialized" it is ... death, if no training and adequate equipment.

After pro survival or not, everyone can find themselves in a situation of the kind that they do not control, and it is quite presumptuous to believe that we will be able to get out "quiet".
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by bernardd » 05/04/10, 19:02

edfed wrote:by dint of seeing how most people turn, always one to make the chef, always one to make the sheep, always one to want more than the others, always one to make the crook, the dishonest, the trickster, the traitor , or the tyrant ..


It is perhaps there that one must understand what is happening: why these developments?

In my opinion, the answer is to be sought on the emotional side.
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by Ahmed » 14/06/10, 19:55

@ Lietseu:
Thanks to the kindness of a friend, I was finally able to watch the video for "zeitgeist".
I recognize that this is formally well done * and relevant to some of the arguments, but I see nothing more (and even less) than in the text.
So, I'm left with my previous criticism ...

* by translation into voiceover which is quite approximate.
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by JLB29P » 29/10/10, 14:45

in addition to interventions concerning the immorality of money and property:
It seems to me that the problem comes from (or is amplified by) the anonymity of the property.
This is one of the reasons for the runaway system.
Each cog acts to defend its position without having a precise notion of the purpose which becomes "to make money" and no longer find investors to finance a specific project (or find a project to make a person's economy grow) .
By diluting the risk, you dilute the responsibility.
Let us not forget that Landru had murdered single women to feed his family after unfortunate stock market transactions ...
Which would prove the opposite of what I claim: that personalization would be moralistic ...

I like this story of the two Chinese lost in the desert, who enriched themselves by selling each other pebbles and making a small profit with each operation.
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by JLB29P » 29/10/10, 15:00

Currency: necessary or prohibited?
- Cuba had banned the use of money for a long time; those who could no longer enrich themselves by accumulating possessions, have enriched themselves by accumulating power (they are not necessarily the same people, but they have the same profile)
- in the USSR, exchanges were decided by political power and not by the law of supply and demand (which causes a lot of waste). For several months (at least) there was in several republics an "annoying" lack of toilet paper!
- one of the causes of the French Revolution: speculation on grains! Before Louis XIV, the shortages were due to a lack of coordination between the regions which had in abundance and those which lacked it. Under Louis XV, to market manipulation. Before it was closer to barter, after to the effects of globalization.
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by JLB29P » 29/10/10, 15:20

A small element of non-response:
before I moved to another place, the first time with young children, I thought that the least I could do was to avoid (because I could)
- problem cities,
- immediate proximity to sources of pollution
- the situation under the prevailing winds in relation to possible sources of air pollution
- the situation downstream of runoff compared to possible sources of pollution by the flow of liquid or suspended pollutants.

At the time, I was able to locate nuclear power plants, thermal power plants and some industries, but not this additional information.

More recently, I have integrated seismic and flood risks for a new move.
Data on the "Sévézo" sites were available (but not on the most probable dissemination corridors)
For the rest, I had to go fishing for news.
No centralization (in any case accessible to the public)

This kind of data is part of the basis for choosing a place to live (not necessarily at work).
In the event of a disaster, (although the type of disaster has more or less impact on the outcome) knowing at least what one is exposed to is one of the elements improving the chances of survival.

Whatever one thinks of the management of Chernobyl for example, disseminating the information drawn from this experience would be positive. Ditto for tsunamis, earthquakes, eruptions, floods, typhoons, epidemics, etc.
Without forgetting that a first accident can induce others in the more or less short term.
Summarizing the causes, effects and dangers and remedies in tables would help make the least bad decisions for the victims (at least those who are not killed immediately), even if it means reading more explicit instructions according to each risk.

Currently, the news is centralized by civil protection (in France) which seems to manage collective actions fairly correctly, but at the level of the individual, the family, and often even the commune, it is the most complete blur.
I happened to work in a company located a few meters from a warehouse of gas cylinders; no information was disseminated to the employees; if the security officer was unable to act, no one knew what to do other than common sense.

This kind of research could be undertaken by retirees who would make themselves useful to their grandchildren!
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by dedeleco » 29/10/10, 16:13

With this method of eliminating all foreseeable and potential risks, there does not remain a habitable place:

Tsunamis, all the coasts of France up to 20 m altitude !!
planes everywhere possible, earthquakes everywhere too, very underestimated (1/100 of Japan at least), a Bhopal or Chernobyl too large to not have the risk, an AZF or similar chemical ....
Floods almost everywhere if 40cm of water falls like in Draguignan or Aude !!
Finally a meteorite or super-volcano one per million years, even less so small, etc ...
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by JLB29P » 29/10/10, 18:53

Do you cross the streets while continuing to read your newspaper under the pretext that a meteorite can reach you even if you pay attention to the cars?
If I have the choice between a habitat already flooded and one that is never flooded, unless there is a more important reason, my choice is obvious.
there is no question of avoiding all risks, just of minimizing them.
Why campaign against nuclear power if we find that taking unnecessary risks is commendable?
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