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by Christophe » 07/11/04, 12:56

This is where you can react on the PMC Resource Link project. Here is the mail that I sent to the mailing list:

Hello everybody

After a few of your reactions, here is how I see things for "the future". Sorry this mail is a bit long but I tried to address all the points ... Thank you for your reading.

The message below confirming my idea of ​​a kind of federation I put it as an attachment since I fully agree with it and that it is only that way that things can move forward as quickly as possible.

1) First of all your reactions:

They were, to my surprise, rather positive (does Xavier to moderate the negative? Maybe I do not know) ... well it is certain that the "spies and profiteers" of all kinds are silent and remain " Silent "... Most of you, finally what has reacted, have confirmed my email, certe a little aggressive (but to react people times that's what it takes!).
I had some reaction in private also quite positive but aiming to "bring back my feet on the ground" and no purely negative trying to destabilize me! So positive points.

So this first point goes in the advancement of this "union" and pooling.

2) The organizational

It is best to use the skills of everyone, I mean that we do not improvise, for example, motorist. Everyone will have to make the best use of their own knowledge and skills to make the "thing" better. Some will be more technical, others more administrative and more able to organize meetings, make contacts, report, etc etc ...

All the skills of motivated people will be welcome but it is absolutely necessary to know how to delegate, to trust and above all not to want to appropriate the system and to quickly make a lot of money ... it is the best way to reduce to nothing a union and this is exactly what our critics expect !! Anyway, given the refusal of the pantone patent the system does not belong to anyone and everything that is broadcast on the internet belongs to the public domain! Paradoxically, it is, in addition, that which limits its industrial development.

a) human resources

All those wishing to participate in the joint project will have to take stock of their skills that they can contribute to the project. A common information sheet could be useful for this step. Huge human resources and skills are available to retirees! Most only asking for help to advance the "thing"!

b) legal

That's how I think the thing could work best: several reactive local association grouped in a national "federation" to structure the advancement. Advantages: rapid exchange and regional and national reactivity, no oligarchy. Disadvantage: heavy to set up, need of very competent lawyers, of a faultless communication and to designate "regional responsibles". The simplest way would be to simply take inspiration from the functioning of the AFM organizing the telethon or the restaurant of the heart: the 2 are national with regional delegations. Obviously joining existing associations is possible ...

c) financial and material resources

Money and the nerve of war, but even more so than R & D. Without money we will NOTHING. I do not believe in volunteering effectively: everyone's skills will have to be remunerated (not necessarily financially) in a more or less equitable manner. Why would some take advantage of the long hours of work for others? Without a "balance" on this side ... the project will not be virtuous! Obviously those who want to give will be able to do it but it is out of the question that the majority of the actors of the project profit gracefully from the work of the other minority! And that's normal!

Self-financing would be the way to give us all possible freedom but beware the R & D engine costs ... very expensive. Here are some possible ways of financing:
- membership fees therefore need permanent recruitment
- organization of informative conferences (at NON PROHIBITIVE prices!)
- donations via a "polluthon" ... the idea is thrown at you to think about it!
- sale of experimental equipment / motor ...
- etc., etc...

You should know that the instrumentation of an engine test bench costs about 150 000 €.
For proof, take a look at the resources of IFP: http://www.ifp.fr/IFP/fr/espacepresse/Doss...oteursOffre.pdf
Without these means we will still tinker in 10 ANS !! How much time and energy will be wasted!

In other words: I think that an association of 50 or 100 people will come to nothing ... against 1000 or 2000 person federated and going in the same SENS
could start to have a weight (media and financial) towards the industrialists and the traditional media. We are 800 on the list .. and I am sure that each of you knows 2 or 3 people wishing to work on the subject. Make the calculation: 2000 person making a donation / contribution of 50 to 100 € (which is finally the price of 2 full of gas!) Allows to have a significant financial weight without speaking of the resources resulting from the actions of the union !

Again, I'm insisting that without a union of the resources of each of you, we will not succeed.

Material issue: Any recovery of useful material as well as availability of machining / welding / assembly equipment would be welcome.

3) Action Plan

The purpose of this union will obviously be to advance R & D in order to understand and master the process. The dissemination of information will be the 2th purpose.
We could achieve quickly (after a few months) on the sale of modified engines. The last 2 aim to finance the 1er and the skills of each.

In the immediate future, it is a question of seeing if the idea is attracting the attention of a minimum of entities (physical or moral) competent and wishing to be involved in a sustainable way in the project.
Otherwise it does not help NOTHING to waste time on this idea.
For this I created a discussion space on the forum of econology:

It would be desirable to meet on this forum rather than exchanging emails on this mailing list, in fact it is much easier to find information on a forum only on the list ....

Personally I do not know what level of involvement I can intervene: I am motivated but everything depends on your motivation ... I launched the idea, I think it is achievable but everything depends on you now!

Here is the idea is revived ... I can not do anything more in the current state of things ...

Christophe Martz
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by LULUBERLU42 » 07/11/04, 19:02

Hello
I followed the idea on the forum yahoo so I'm leaving hoping to bring my stone to the building
competence level I have 26ans, industrial designer of training, currently I work in a company of the Loire which manufactures systems of inflation while rolling for the industrial vehicles and all terrain, my competances vary quite a lot, going from the tire to the weld mig / tig, I personally tinker a lot for home and I try to redo run equipment left to abandon and can walk with a minimum of patience and knowledge to give to those who need it, I have a little knowledge motor especially solex (hi hi) but I do the maintenance and repairs of my car and my combi so I learn every day ...
if I can help implement this project I would be delighted for the future of our children.

cordially Sebastian
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by Christophe » 07/11/04, 19:02

by to_pal2003 who was wrong forum

Hello CHRISTOPHE, I just read your email on the list I am all agree with you
but I take my example

I live in a small village of the nievre, I already a year ago a little manufactures and mounts the pantone reateur that works wonderfully I'm super motivated but alas I found no one who can help me advantage because parament I am the only one in the region and I can not move too much

what i mean i'm giving money and i'm waiting for the fallout this does not bother me and in addition i take advantage of the system that will put this up because i want to participate and i can help myself because i do electronics or will there be groups in each department because in my opinion I should not be the only one in this case

PAT

PS: that's why I'm silent until prensent
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by WissVib » 07/11/04, 20:52

Hi to all of you who will read this post!

I am more than motivated for the realization of this ecological federation PMC-GEET!

Indeed it is time to work in the same direction to achieve a prototype work and as quickly as possible. For that I really think that it is necessary to implement all the possible means and available !! The goal is not to put on the market a new lobi but an industrial technology accessible to all to reduce gaseous emissions harmful to the environment and thereby reduce the waste of oil technology archaic!

I am currently an oil and gas mechanic maintenance technician, and I have significant experience in mechatronics industrialization, so I have a dual expertise in design office and field (and what a field!)

I'm almost sure I can bring together other people who can design advanced electronic and computer systems (management system, analysis, broadcasts, ...)

It remains to put all these networks in action, I am ready to invest myself technically, humanly, and financially if necessary! I am in Lyon and therefore ready to manage a working group with other people feeling ready and concerned here!

Contact me !
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by pascalgrignon@infonie.fr » 07/11/04, 21:02

Hello,

Should Pantone research focus exclusively on motor vehicle engines?

It seems much easier to operate on generators or boilers. The cost of research would be much lower and discoveries in this area could benefit motor vehicles.

I work as a computer specialist. I am ready to participate in this adventure. Conditions and terms will be defined together.

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by krissg29 » 07/11/04, 22:17

Hello,

I discovered the Pantone process there are only 15 days on the Quant'Homme website and I thought it was great!
I read and reread the articles and examples and I made a temporary montage on a VW to see
Apparently I do not have enough depression at the entrance of the reactor and so it does not work but it will come.

For your idea of ​​association for the development of the PMC, I find it very positive. It can only advance the "schmilblick".
On the other hand, with the existence of the patent, the commercialization of the reactor is not possible, if I am not mistaken.
So we would be limited to the dissemination of information on how to do, the "exhibition" of montages that work, and that must be just about everything.
Before changing the planet with that, we have a job!
Finally, we have an advantage over the manufacturers who are trying to store hydrogen in a car: with the PMC, it is manufactured as and when.
When we think of the "average French" who is afraid of LPG cars because it explodes (yes, yes, he said it on TV), I can not imagine it in a hydrogen car!

Anyway! I am an electrician by training, auto mechanic by hobby, electronics engineer and beginner computer scientist by need, so if I can help, I am leaving.

Good continuation
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by Raymond » 08/11/04, 01:42

Good evening everyone,

Personally, I would be happy to start for an association as it is proposed

My training does not allow me to claim to be a major player, but I will bring my modest contribution.

I have a basic agricultural background, and I made my career in the paper industry, or, as an autodidact, I went up the ladder step by step.

Today, I am pre-retired.

I have a TUB HY Citroen engine in excellent condition, and I intend to use it as an expe.

It must be said that I discovered the PANTONE system last week, and it's fresh for me!

See you soon,

raymond

PS I live in North Dome
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by Christophe » 08/11/04, 20:45

I will immediately create GEOGRAPHICAL subheadings on the forum try to use the section that fits your area to organize with people close to you!
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by Superform » 09/11/04, 14:07

Hello,

I am a computer technician, programmer from time to time
My skills that can bring more to the project are limited, but I am motivated.

The main constraint for me is money, because I have no side to help R & D ...
Level time, it can work out.

I add that I have a fairly important learning ability. When I started looking at the PMC, I did not know anything about engines. A few months later, without being an expert, I understand what I am talking about and I can give my opinion ...

I will post this also in the West-West region, because I am from Nantes. I am 26 years old.
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by Rulian » 10/11/04, 13:37

Hello !!

Some already know me on the forum.

I am training mechanical engineer, (UTC Compiègne) graduated in less than a year. I'm going to enter a company specializing in wind energy.
I can bring my skills in engineering and modeling, as well as management (project ...). I have good associative experience and good scientific background.

Given my limited availability in the coming months, I can only propose to participate in the definition of the structure of the organization and missions of each. I am particularly interested in the idea of ​​a PolluThon. I can also do conferences (in Lyon from February).

Being very mobile (I move region every six months ...), I did not write in a particular geographical category).
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