Formula calculation buffer gas bottle

Work concerning plumbing or sanitary water (hot, cold, clean or used). Management, access and use of water at home: drilling, pumping, wells, distribution network, treatment, sanitation, rainwater recovery. Recovery, filtration, depollution, storage processes. Repair of water pumps. Manage, use and save water, desalination and desalination, pollution and water ...
User avatar
Remundo
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 16086
Registration: 15/10/07, 16:05
Location: Clermont Ferrand
x 5231




by Remundo » 28/03/15, 22:42

chatelot16 wrote:16 or 20g is a mass not a pressure

to express a pressure you need grams per certain surface area

I never try to guess an incomplete unit, it leads to the worst mistakes: I prefer to question until the one who asks gives the whole info

and again, dear Chatelot, strictly speaking, it is not grams, but Newton which must be used ...

I abstain from intervening in this subject which is a tuft of technical and scientific approximations and imprecisions :P

Now, if you can help our Grandpa Friend, I'll be happy
0 x
Image
User avatar
chatelot16
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 6960
Registration: 11/11/07, 17:33
Location: Angouleme
x 264




by chatelot16 » 29/03/15, 13:02

in France natural gas pressure in private homes is 21 or 27 milliBar depending on the type of bar

1bar = ~ 1Kg / cm2

therefore 21 mb = ~ 21g / cm2

I put = approximately because there is a confusion with the bar which is more exactly 1daN / cm2

and 1Kg = 9,81N = 0,981daN

there is therefore the approximation 1bar = 0,981kg / cm2

in any case it confirms what I said at the beginning: if it is 16 or 20 mb it is too low a pressure: the gas can be considered incompressible and a simple bottle cannot make any accumulation

to accumulate a significant amount of gas would require a mobile bell gazomete, which makes a constant pressure from full to empty

when the gas distribution is done at 4bar, it would be possible to put a bottle at this pressure upstream of the regulator ... but what good is it when it happens at 4 bar there is never a flow problem

I rather imagine your problem with a too long pipe at 20mb between meter and boiler

in industry we operate the first regulator and the meter at a higher pressure like 300mb, and we put a 21mb regulator next to the boiler or other device: each device therefore has a precise pressure even if there are consumption tip of others
0 x
User avatar
papy49
I discovered econologic
I discovered econologic
posts: 6
Registration: 05/03/15, 15:33
Location: Saumur

Formula calculation buffer gas bottle




by papy49 » 29/03/15, 13:15

chatelot16 wrote:in France natural gas pressure in private homes is 21 or 27 milliBar depending on the type of bar

1bar = ~ 1Kg / cm2

therefore 21 mb = ~ 21g / cm2

I put = approximately because there is a confusion with the bar which is more exactly 1daN / cm2

and 1Kg = 9,81N = 0,981daN

there is therefore the approximation 1bar = 0,981kg / cm2

in any case it confirms what I said at the beginning: if it is 16 or 20 mb it is too low a pressure: the gas can be considered incompressible and a simple bottle cannot make any accumulation

to accumulate a significant amount of gas would require a mobile bell gazomete, which makes a constant pressure from full to empty

when the gas distribution is done at 4bar, it would be possible to put a bottle at this pressure upstream of the regulator ... but what good is it when it happens at 4 bar there is never a flow problem

I rather imagine your problem with a too long pipe at 20mb between meter and boiler

in industry we operate the first regulator and the meter at a higher pressure like 300mb, and we put a 21mb regulator next to the boiler or other device: each device therefore has a precise pressure even if there are consumption tip of others


hello everyone
thank you for all its information.
0 x

Go back to “Water management, plumbing and sanitation. Pumping, drilling, filtration, wells, recovery ... "

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 173 guests