Volkswagate but yes ... and other auto manufacturers?

[Remundo]

It is certain that there is the discourse "engineering" and "green engines" to be held in this business.

However ... to take Obamot's angle,

we can now see better the backdrop, mounted in several stages, of American services and interests to sink VW (and by the same token destabilize Europe via Germany) as well as Diesel engines.

If there is something that the United States does not care about overall, it is transport pollution.

On the other hand, they can manipulate the legislations for their own account and become formidable ecologists of circumstances.

We have already seen the same thing in the banking sector, where suddenly the Yankees authorities were seized with a moralizing fever to extort billions of euros of "fines" from European banks (including Deutsche Bank ...) which would have been very dishonest ...

To gain height compared to the unfortunate NOx and gCO2 / km of your private car, I suggest you watch this video
The sale of Alstom, the story of an economic war
Documentary Stratpol

which relates the takeover of Alstom by a merciless American economic war ... among its military allies.

To meditate.

[Obamot]

Yes, this is an economic war!

Since polluting less for certain gases would pollute more by burning less of other gases, they are really looking for lice in the straw! This is also what makes me say that the approach is far from being honest in every way!

What about other manufacturers?

Well, I think that some people will have to update the on-board computers of certain vehicles by making a fissa, and I would not be surprised if there were discreet car recalls on this subject ...? (I have just been called back for mine for a minor question, it does not say that they call back the vehicles for the real reason for which they are supposed to be called back?)

[chatelot16]

we come back to the main question: the owner of a vehicle should also be the owner of the software that is in it: therefore informed of any modification made to it, have the possibility of saving it or he wants to compare different version if there is a modification

knowing that a translator can act on the pollution proves that it would be useful if the driver could choose different option: we cannot reduce all the pollution at once, but certain pollution has different effects: CO2 is the gas greenhouse effect which acts on the whole planet ... NOx is not very serious for the planet but serious when it is concentrated in the city when there is no wind

to reduce CO2 it is necessary to put the maximum compression rate by piloting the turbo: that makes the best possible performance, but alas also the maximum of NOx

when we want to reduce the NOx we can reduce the compression by driving the turbo otherwise, but alas it reduces the efficiency and increases the consumption therefore increases the CO2: but we could prefer this solution in the city center

we could also limit the power of the engine, to never inject too much at the same time and reduce the production of particles ... it would not prevent having full power with an accelerator pedal with a harder part at the end racing: you have to press a lot harder to have full power: we would only do it if there is really need

the current method takes the user client for a C .. everything is based on laboratory approval tests and the client can know nothing

this scandal should allow the client to demand to know more

it is a waste of time that the customer demands financial compensation for a loss that is impossible to know until we know nothing: it is much more constructive to demand to know what is in what we are buying

[Gaston]

it is a waste of time that the customer demands financial compensation for a loss that is impossible to know until we know nothing: it is much more constructive to demand to know what is in what we are buying

There too, it is badly engaged since copyright law in the us protects the manufacturer against attempts to analyze the operation of the software, including by certification bodies (and obviously authorizes them to keep the code secret).

So to provide information to customers

[I Citro]

To gain height compared to the unfortunate NOx and gCO2 / km of your private car, I suggest you watch this video
The sale of Alstom, the story of an economic war
Documentary Stratpol

which relates the takeover of Alstom by a merciless American economic war ... among its military allies.

To meditate.

But it's all meditated,
We have known for a long time that the USA and the CIA are waging economic warfare.

In France, they have many packages to their credit such as:
- GEMPLUS, to plunder patents on encryption
- Peugeot with the GM interlude which entered the capital to scuttle the partnership agreements with Mitsubishi but also the economic links of supply of spare parts to Iran Khodro to be able to more easily import GM vehicles in Iran
- Saft that his "partner" the US giant Dow Kokam wanted to cheat
- ...

[Obamot]

Their biggest blow is still the monopoly of SWIFT payment traffic. With that (and apart from N $ A, which is the main specialty), they know who does what and who works with whom, how much it is paid when, where and why. Then they just have to know how, but that's the role of the little friends.

As someone will certainly bring out the verse on the "conspiracy theory", it is better to provide the sources first 1) >>> 2) >>> 3) >>> 4) >>> 5) >>>, and of course ICANN de facto monopoly.

we come back to the main question: the owner of a vehicle should also be the owner of the software that is in it: therefore informed of any modification made to it, have the possibility of saving it or he wants to compare different version if there is a modification

... precisely no. It has already been at least fifteen years that software developers have attempted to confiscate property rights from software buyers, thanks to a remarkable artifice of efficiency and provided in addition with a complete reactive shielding and unstoppable: "the accomplished fact".

It happened through this little checkbox that you are obliged to validate if you install software ... And there to learn that in fact you just have a right of use on the program. Who can at all times be or not be upgraded, revoked as the case may be, etc. without anyone being able to oppose it.

So this kind of policy of double standards (on the one hand the universe of software which would protect the manufacturer VS the transgression which would then make jurisprudence in the event of conviction and which would allow to override ... could have a big boomerang effect Since suddenly the big historical developers who are all over the Channel, would find themselves powerless in the face of denunciations of the continual obsolescence of the computer park ...)

This is a fairly complex file, but there the VAG group would certainly have a card to play, a means of pressure on the American software industry, which it constantly contravenes the good use of all our programs, by tainting them. 'planned obsolescence!

The problem is that Europeans are too disciplined, they prefer to pay since they no longer trust them.

But there Chatelot, you're right down the line.

[Obamot]

Here is what was announced here a fortnight ago:

Hypocrisy

Right, that's the right word. And also a package of £ $ €

I don't know if that was said, but the European commissioners knew that there had been cheating (and not only at VW) for at least two years ... >>> so after no wonder they knew it across the Atlantic. This is what I said from the start (reason why I do not participate too much) the scandal in the United States is purely a political retaliation that has absolutely nothing to do with pollution (historically the United States do not care royally, they have always been lagging behind in this sector ...) We must bend the bad Europeans who drag their legs to eat raw the hambur-war of "uncle Sam" ...

They just have to stay at home cowboys, I prefer Russian dolls

PS In short, the war is not over, it has only just begun. Let's stick together Europeans in front of these crazy people who don't really have history or culture ...! (Finally, or they forgot it ...)
https://www.econologie.com/forums/volkswagat ... tml#291994

... has just been confirmed: HERE:

Volkswagen: EU officials behind scandal
Berlin (awp / afp) - European officials alerted an NGO and were the source of revelations about fake Volkswagen engines, head of the California environmental authority revealed in the German press CARB.


"It was officials from the EU administration who alerted the US environmental organization ICCT to possible cheating on nitrogen oxide emissions," Mary Nichols told the German business weekly "WirtschaftsWoche", who published his comments on his site on Friday.


According to the magazine, the European Commission was aware since 2011 manipulations in emission measurements at several car manufacturers, the'' one of them having informed the services of the Industry Commissioner at the time, the Italian Antonio Tajani.


According to WirtschaftWoche, officials briefed were "so frustrated with the Commission's inaction" that they turned to the ICCT.

It was through this NGO, which had a series of measurements carried out and then notified the competent American authorities, that the case of rigged engines broke out in September of this year. Volkswagen has admitted having equipped 11 million diesel engines with fake software capable of distorting the results of emission tests. For years, the cars concerned have released much more harmful nitrogen oxides (Nox) into the atmosphere than expected.


"If this information is confirmed, it means that the former and the current Industry Commissioner, respectively Mr Tajani and Mrs (Elzbieta) Bienkowska, disguised the facts and knowingly lied in front of the European Parliament", reacted in a press release two green Euro-deputies, Yannick Jadot and Karima Delli.


afp / al

After what I had read in the editorial, I was sure of it! These bastards waited 2 years before launching their operation against German economic interests. Of course there was fraud but I consider that this point becomes purely secondary now, moreover from a pure legal point of view, and for the reasons mentioned, the complaint should not / no longer be admissible: since it is initially a kind of revenge. Certainly there has been fraud but the judicial authorities should in this case act in the name of ethics and treat the problem differently ... There has obviously been instrumentalization and that is not tolerable in the law plan, since this type of situation can very quickly deviate towards "business creation"which is clearly the case.

[Janic]

For years, the cars concerned have released much more harmful nitrogen oxides (Nox) into the atmosphere than expected.

Yet another hypocrisy, since no vehicle pollutes according to established standards, but much more when they are running in real condition.
I doubt that a 750CV vehicle like the adventador will only be 24,7 - 10,7 - 16 L / 100 km except according to the NEDC, but at 350km / h it is an abyss of consumption and subsequent pollution. Same thing for high speed diesel. So these standards are phony and company.

[chatelot16]

seen this morning on the 13 at the tv: colloquium on diesel at the senat ... all kinds of experts were discussing pollution and control problems ... everyone complained about the lack of a good means of control

I heard an important reflection about the car which consumes more in reality than in the approved measure: it's like the thermal insulation of buildings: it always consumes more than what is indicated ... and it was the conclusion: with this bad habit customers no longer have any confidence

it is therefore urgent to put on the market real means of measurement, not necessarily as precise as the laboratory controls but still sufficient for the customers to know a little

they also noted the need to control the cars at 100 and 000 km to verify that the results announced are long-lasting, and not limited to the new vehicle ... note that this is not a question of controlling the old cars of the customer, it is a question of running new cars for a long time in order to obtain homologation measures not only on new engines but also on used engines

of course doing tests over a large number of hours on the bench will show the effect of mechanical wear, but not the aging of the electronics but it will be better than nothing: it will prevent the manufacturer from cheating on the test car with "optimization" which would degrade its lifespan

they also commented on the word "optimization" which, like tax optimization, becomes synonymous with fraud ... sad inversion: normally optimizing is rather improving than cheating

in my entourage I know a lot of people who drive with electronic injection car partially broken down: degraded mode and can not afford to pay what it takes to restore: the ecological result is catastrophic: cars whose electronic spare parts are prohibitively priced are worse than old cars

I also notice that many people forget the simplest way to monitor consumption: note the km and liters of petrol ... the display of an instant consumption figure on the dashboard is enough for them ... alas this figure which fluctuates all the time is useless, while the average consumption over a full time reveals very well the slightest problem

[Remundo]

remarks always full of common sense, Chatelot,

but who listens to us?

I've been laughing about "modern" cars for years, which actually consume more than the R19 single-point indirect petrol injection ... whose engine has always run like clockwork, with impeccable cold starts.