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by Grelinette » 01/11/15, 22:28

In many ways this scandal of Volkswagen cheating increasingly resembles doping scandals in sport!

Everyone knows that there is doping in professional sport and that anti-doping tests are rigged.

From time to time, a sportsman and his staff are caught, the other sportsmen and their staffs shake the buttocks and shout with scandal, and the high governing bodies try to calm the game and minimize the affair ...

Control procedures and regulations are slightly modified so that the system starts up again and everyone is happy!
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by chatelot16 » 01/11/15, 23:00

there are more or less visible pollution ... when a car passes in front of my house whether it is petrol or diesel I see no pollution ... but there are also horses that pass, with pollution very visible. .. the dung is more visible than the nox ...

it reminds me of old newspaper articles from before 1900 where we predicted a disaster in Paris with the amount of dung in the streets ... this disaster was avoided thanks to the change of transport
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by moinsdewatt » 02/11/15, 13:41

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by I Citro » 03/11/15, 10:31

Did67 wrote:- in civil, you can only plead if you have suffered damage

- in criminal matters, the State can only plead an offense against a law ...

The French State, on the other hand could ask for compensation within the framework of the ecological “bonus-malus” system (linked to the emission rates. The tax authorities can plead to have been cheated. Will it?

Competitors could too. They were deprived of sales, by too flattering figures of which a competitor availed himself. Will they do it? Are they themselves nickel on the subject ???
The competitors would have complained immediately if they had felt cheated for unfair competition ...

I learned last week that PSA who also cheated had seen the tests carried out for the occasion, to prove it ...

The affair was immediately suppressed by the French media ...

The accomplice government signed, under cover, a European agreement to raise the permissible pollution thresholds.
: Evil:

It is a crime, while denouncing 50.000 deaths per year in France, we backtrack to increase this slaughter for the sole benefit of car manufacturers and oil tankers.

Here is a clear message on the "ecological conscience" of our President on the eve of leading the debates on the COP21 that he is organizing in France.
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by Grelinette » 03/11/15, 14:46

The VW cheating scandal is spreading: the brand's luxury models would also be affected, as well as those of the Porsche and Audi brands.

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/economie ... wagen.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... _3234.html

For the moment the scandal is spreading but therefore remains limited to Germany, and the foreign competitors shake the buttocks and are not questioned ... phew!
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by 1360 » 03/11/15, 18:29

Hi all.

citro wrote:I learned last week that PSA who also cheated had seen the tests carried out for the occasion, to prove it ...

The affair was immediately suppressed by the French media ...


Do you have a serious connection for that, or is it Facebook gossip?

Quite frankly, I think that if PSA or anyone else cheated, it would already be known because I have no doubt that all over the world the various "independent testers" have reviewed a lot of cars of all brands. , hoping for the scoop.


Grelinette wrote:For the moment the scandal is spreading but therefore remains limited to Germany, and the foreign competitors shake the buttocks and are not questioned ... phew!


To read you, we guess what you are riding with, it would have been so much better if it was Fiat or French people who were cheating, everyone could have emptied their gall, but I am very sorry, it is indeed the sacro -saint group VW cheating, this famous group which has made a reputation on the lie, whether for the quality of its models, their reliability and level of wear, and, worse still, the (non) treatment cases of guarantees that alone would deserve a book.

I can easily understand that the millions of customers who have agreed to pay more by being convinced that they have something better, and thus have the feeling of belonging to an "elite", are disappointed.

But the reality is there: VW is the cheater and the liar, not the others ...

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by 1360 » 03/11/15, 21:43

And come on, a fresh one tonight:

http://www.20min.ch/ro/economie/news/st ... s-16073008

Even gasoline, this time ...

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by I Citro » 03/11/15, 21:45

Jean-Luc Moreau's "ecological car" magazine mentioned it quite a while ago.
It was an open secret at UTAC ... But they were not going to denounce those who finance them via the apprenticeship tax ...
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by chatelot16 » 03/11/15, 22:05

to tax CO2 it is stupid to measure in the laboratory with all the randomness and cheating that it can hide ... just tax the fuel according to the carbon it contains ... whatever the way of burning it is on CO2 it will be

the problem of diesel is a bit special: the diesel engine has better efficiency than petrol, and above all a better yield curve: diesel has good efficiency at reduced power which makes it easy to save money, while the gasoline engine has a poor efficiency reduced power which reduces the savings that could be made at reduced speed

thanks to this good performance of reduced power diesel it is the best way to reduce energy consumption and CO2 emissions

alas as nothing is perfect it has the disadvantage of NOx and particles ... but you have to quantify everything correctly: gasoline engines also make particles, and also make NOx you need the exact figures to quantify everything. .. do not be fooled by too old figures or the compression rates of gasoline were low ... they increased, which increases the NOx ... there is more and more gasoline engine has injection that make particles like diesel

so foolishly typing on diesel is not the solution

for me the solution is the miller cycle, an optimized cycle where we no longer really distinguish whether it is an oto cycle (petrol) or a diesel cycle
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by I Citro » 04/11/15, 13:49

For me the solution is to get rid of oil and the heat engine whose overall efficiency from the tank to the wheel will never reach 40% and really peaks at less than 20% when the electricity exceeds 80% ...

The solutions exist, it is time to change the model as we changed 100 years ago by abandoning the horse ...

Volkswagen has been manufacturing 2% electric models and also hybrids for 100 years.
Who knows it in the population, apart from informed people. :?:
The reason is simple, they don't advertise because they don't want to sell them. : Evil:

Madame has been driving an electric Volkswagen for over a year and 20.000km with great satisfaction. We chose it on criteria we can little more objectives of performance, guarantee, budget and are not disappointed.
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