The renewable energy hydrogen car: the future?

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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Gaston » 01/03/16, 16:40

The limit of the HHO used as heating is that you always need more electricity to produce the HHO than you get energy from burning it.
Both use directly an electric plate or a convector ...

As for the free electricity for electric cars, it seems to me that you are expressing wishes far more than you are looking for solutions. : roll:

And if ? Energy free, unlimited, clean and safe?

Wisdom is also about differentiating dreams from reality ...
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by Christophe » 01/03/16, 16:44

We have been wise here, eh Gaston?

The principle of HHO has been dismantled for a long time: eat-less car / kit hho-return-experience-t9054.html and in other topics, do a search ...
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by moinsdewatt » 22/10/16, 14:04

Between Rodez and Zaragoza, cars will be able to run on hydrogen

Usine Nouvelle the 20 / 10 / 2016

As part of a European program, a cross-border experimental corridor, between France, Andorra and Spain, will be equipped with hydrogen production and distribution stations, to promote hydrogen mobility on a full-scale network.

A network of around ten hydrogen stations will be deployed by 2017 between Rodez (Aveyron) and Zaragoza in Aragon (Spain). This 900 km corridor will make it possible to experiment with hydrogen mobility on a large scale. Selected as part of the Interreg / Poctefa 2014-2020 cross-border cooperation program (Spain-France-Andorra), the project, called H2Piyr, receives funding from the European Union to the tune of 2,4 million euros. "This is the first cross-border hydrogen corridor in Europe", underlines Alain Picasso of EDF in charge of running the project.

Associating French, Spanish and Andorran public and private partners, and coordinated by the Feda (Foundation for the Development of New Hydrogen Technologies in Aragon), H2Piyr mobilizes, besides EDF in France, Madeeli (the development agency of the Occitan region). ) and H2 Impulsion, a subsidiary of Aveyron's Ondulia, an independent renewable energy producer, recently created to develop new activities related to the use of hydrogen fuel cells for electric vehicles.

A hydrogen station coupled with a hydroelectric plant in Ariège

In concrete terms, six new hydrogen distribution stations, produced from renewable energy, will be built. Four in Spain, in Zaragoza, Huesca, Fraga and Tarragona, one in Andorra and one in France, in Pamiers, in Ariège. This station will be set up by H2 Impulsion, which intends to couple it to its hydroelectric power station of Las Mijeannes, in Pamiers. "A first in Europe", welcomes Lilian Cantos, president of Ondulia. To these six stations, there will be added two stations already in service on the Spanish side in Huesca and Zaragoza, one station in service in Albi (Tarn) and a station which should come into service in early 2017 in Rodez (Aveyron) as part of a other European program. This corridor could very quickly be consolidated by the establishment of three other stations planned in Toulouse by Engie, including one near Toulouse-Blagnac airport.

Beyond infrastructure, the H2Piyr project also plans to deploy a fleet of 16 fuel cell electric vehicles. Namely, six passenger cars, eight utility vehicles and two buses. Around ten electric bicycles, developed by Pragma Industries in Biarritz (Pyrénées-Atlantiques) will also be put into service by H2 Impulsion at the entrance to a campsite in Ariège. "The objective is to provide communities and companies with a real test bench on a real scale to promote hydrogen mobility in our territories and help to structure a regional hydrogen sector", insists Nicolas Schaeffer, director of the agency. Madeeli.

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by moinsdewatt » 08/12/17, 18:21

Air Liquide: a first hydrogen station at Paris-Orly
Reserved for fuel cell Hype taxis


Published 08 / 12 / 17

With the support of Aéroports de Paris, the French Air Liquide inaugurated the first hydrogen station on the Paris Orly airport zone. It will refuel the 75 taxis of Hype, all with a fuel cell.

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One pump to refuel in less than 5 minutes. The Toyota Mirai needs 5 kg of hydrogen to travel 500 km.

And one more ... Air Liquide has opened a new hydrogen station. This opening would go almost unnoticed among the hundred stations installed throughout the world by the French industrial who bathes in hydrogen since 50 years. Yes, but here it is, the Paris region, and more specifically the Orly airport zone.

Two years after the opening of the first Paris hydrogen station on the Alma Bridge, Air Liquide and Aéroports de Paris (ADP) are therefore inaugurating the second station in the Paris region. Two other openings are expected at Versailles and at Paris Roissy Charles de Gaulle airport, running 2018.

A rate of 200 kg / day
The Paris Orly hydrogen station is located on the only fuel station located before the airport entrance. The only pump whose installation has cost 2 million euros can deliver up to 200 kg / day (1 kg can run for 100 km). However, the price at the pump may deter more than one: 15 € / kg. Air Liquide officials explained that it was a reference price to fall around the 9 10 €. For information, hydrogen is not taxed at the level of diesel and gasoline.

For now, this station is to be used by transport professionals. This is particularly the case of the Société de Taxi Electrique Parisien (STEP) Hype launched in 2015 on the sidelines of the COP21 summit. Hype is currently rolling 75 electric vehicles (Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell and Toyota Mirai) powered by a fuel cell. By the end of 2020, Hype hopes to expand its fleet to 600 vehicles. Hype is expected to launch in Brussels in the second half of 2018.


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by Remundo » 09/12/17, 09:28

however, let us point out to these industrial opportunists that the battery sector has a yield 3 times greater than hydrogen ...

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by moinsdewatt » 06/04/18, 21:58

Toyota Sora, hydrogen bus for Japan
A hundred buses scheduled.


31 / 03 / 2018 Engine Natuer

Sky, Ocean, River, Air (sky, ocean, river, air), or SORA, is the water cycle, and the name of Toyota's hydrogen bus. It was designed for the 2020 Olympics, but it was approved this month, and its regular production will not be long. Toyota plans to put one hundred of these hydrogen buses into service by 2020 or more if the demand is there. The order book is open ... Built with elements of Mirai (the manufacturer's hydrogen sedan), fuel cell and electric motor, this bus 79 seats (22 seats, 56 debouts and the driver) can also serve as a distributor mobile electricity when needed. A socket at the back can indeed deliver a current of 9 kW for more than 24 hours. This would be useful in case of disaster, but daily, this bus will carry many passengers without any emission of CO2, nor any pollutant.

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by PVresistif » 17/04/18, 17:30

the main problem of the car with thermal engine is pollution by NOx (see mega scandal Volkwagen, Renault, Peugeot .... etc) or the actual emissions are up to 10 / 15 times the advertised level.
Hydrogen for NOx - as it is a rich fuel, so high flame temperature - it's a big problem.
So this is an illusion, but of course the business could always impose for 10 or 15 years, and after we pretend to discover the pb ... it will always be won .....
Diesel, it has become a pb, when there will be only gasoline engines will discover the pb of gasoline .... and so on
Of course we can quite make cars without pollution, but it would multiply the price by 2 or 3 .... and it would be necessary to say to the poor to ride by bike, or on foot .... those who do not work, they have time, why would they have a car? We have to divide the number of cars by 4 or 5 globally, to reduce the amount of pollution.
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by Gaston » 17/04/18, 17:43

PVresistif wrote:the main problem of the car with thermal engine is pollution by NOx (see mega scandal Volkwagen, Renault, Peugeot .... etc) or the actual emissions are up to 10 / 15 times the advertised level.
Hydrogen for NOx - as it is a rich fuel, so high flame temperature - it's a big problem.
The track of the hydrogen engine was explored by BMW several years ago and seems to have fallen back into oblivion.

All hydrogen vehicles currently advertised use an electric motor and a fuel cell (which does not produce NOx) to make electricity from hydrogen.

The problem of the yield raised by Remundo always remaining unavoidable (but sometimes you have to choose between something that works with poor performance and ... nothing).
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by Remundo » 17/04/18, 22:59

poor performance is acceptable only if the resource is cheap.

But to make the H2 or to charge a battery, we start from the same resource: electricity. So there is no hope of accommodating poor returns for economic reasons.
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