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by Remundo » 11/12/16, 10:53

The GNV station Eric SORTINO allows the technical services of Saint Pierre du Mont to run on natural gas.

GNV station Mont de Marsan / Saint Pierre du Mont / Saint SEVER

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by moinsdewatt » 01/04/17, 20:48

Road transport makes its gas revolution

BRUNO MOULY The 15 / 03 / 2017 Les Echos

Motorization of gas-powered lorries seems to be the only diesel substitution technology that is efficient, clean and profitable.

It is a small technological and ecological revolution that is preparing for the road transport of goods. Recently, carriers and companies have shown a real craze for natural gas vehicles (NGV), hitherto confined to garbage trucks. This engine comes in three types of fuel: liquefied natural gas (LNG), compressed natural gas (CNG) caught on the network town gas and biogas (biomethane), resulting from the anaerobic digestion of food waste and green waste.

Thus, the transport group Jacky Perrenot is gradually equipped with 200 LNG and CNG trailers and 50 CNG carriers, following a so-called "historic" order from the manufacturer Iveco. For its part, Carrefour will equip its carriers with 200 semi-trailers and biogas carriers by the end of 2017, to deliver its stores in Paris, Lille, Lyon, Marseille and Bordeaux. Saint-Gobain Distribution Bâtiment France, a distributor of building materials, will bring 50's 80 units this year to its fleet of CNG trucks for its construction site deliveries in Paris. "We are witnessing an acceleration of gas truck orders linked in particular to the growing interest of road hauliers. France becomes the first GNV heavy truck market in Europe "Says Clément Chandon, Emea's manager of gas vehicle development at Iveco. "For fifteen years, the evolution of technology has helped to halve the industrial overcost of these vehicles," adds Julien Darthout, General Manager of the Demeter Club, a business association that deals with sustainable logistics.

Technological locks

The most advanced manufacturers have mainly blown up "three technological locks" on the power, autonomy and compatibility of the gas engine with heavy-duty truck automatic gearboxes. As a result, CNG trucks become more competitive with their diesel counterparts. The latest models have a comparable power of 400 ch. Autonomy has been increased to 400 kilometers for CNG vehicles and 600 kilometers for LNG vehicles whose models with double tanks can be up to 1.200 kilometers! Profitability also seems to go. "The additional cost for the purchase of 40% on average compared to a diesel truck is offset by the price of lower gas because little taxed than diesel," explains Pascal Megevand, co-manager of Transport Megevand Brothers to initiative of the Equilibre project (associating 6 SME of transport), which promotes by experiments the energy transition from road transport to gas. Clean and quiet, NGV vehicles also respond to the tightening of urban regulation of urban deliveries. "They reduce 95% emissions of fine particles (NOx ...) and 10 15% those of CO2 that the use of biogas can lower more 80%! "Says Julien Darthout. The only problem is that NGV heavy-duty vehicles require a charging infrastructure that is still insufficient in the area.

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Nevertheless, the network tends to develop and the initiatives to multiply. Under the leadership of Lyreco, a distributor of office supplies, two of its TC Transport and Rave Transports service providers invested a million euros to create a CNG charging station in Digoin (Saône-et-Loire). Twenty semi-trailers have been refueling since the end of 2016 to deliver 17 regional platforms of the distributor. Carrefour will also create 9 biogas stations this year in cooperation with GNVert and Air Liquide for the CNG trucks of its carriers. "Gas is the right solution for cleaner trucks. It is simpler and less expensive than the electric or the hybrid whose offer is almost non-existent, "concludes Julien Darthout.

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by ENERC » 02/04/17, 19:23

The short-term greenhouse effect of natural gas is 80 (it goes down to 21-34 over 100 years). So just a few (inevitable) losses across the entire distribution network make it worse than oil.

A small calculation:
1,25% loss (leaks, unburned): 80 g of CO2 equivalent, to which 80 g of CO2 / km is added. Appraisal: the CO2 equivalent of an 4x4.

Good for the environment?
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by moinsdewatt » 11/04/17, 20:34

Total will distribute fuel gas in France

By Le Figaro.fr with AFP the 06 / 04 / 2017

The oil giant Total has started to distribute natural gas for vehicles (NGV) in France, with the inauguration of a first station in Nantes (Loire-Atlantique) announced by the group on Thursday. "About fifteen other stations will be opened in 2017, followed by ten more each year", details a press release. In total, the group is targeting a network of 110 stations to distribute this fuel gas, which is mainly used by heavy goods vehicles and freight and passenger transport professionals.

CNG is not yet widely distributed but it can replace diesel, much more emitter of fine particles, sources of pollution.

CNG is also cheaper than diesel, although vehicle models are more expensive to purchase. "Gas can become the fuel of the future in road transport," said Momar Nguer, managing director of Total's Marketing & Services branch, quoted in the press release.

Total already distributes this fuel elsewhere in the world, with a network of 450 stations and the group plans to open 200 stations in Europe (including the French 110), in priority where it is already present, that is to say in Germany and Benelux.


In France, Engie is also developing its network of natural gas vehicle stations, with over 140 existing stations and a target of 20 new stations in the next twelve months. The gas group announced last year want to invest 100 million euros by 2020 for the construction of 100 stations in Europe, including 50 in France. Beginning 2016, 13.000 vehicles were running on CNG in France, according to the French Association of Natural Gas for Vehicles (AFGNV).

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by ENERC » 12/04/17, 12:35

"Gas can become the fuel of the future in road transport, according to Momar Nguer, managing director of Total's Marketing & Services branch, quoted in the press release."

yes ... and in 6 months they will like Daimler (Mercedes) a mea culpa (for them it is on hydrogen). We were wrong .... thoroughly on the electric
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by Remundo » 12/04/17, 21:39

the gas has its advantages, but in this case, will have to become a little friendlier with Vladimir ...

it's not biogas that will drive a lot of trucks!
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by chatelot16 » 13/04/17, 13:50

do not confuse biogas with natural gas

the biogas also contains methane, but it contains too much CO2 and impurity which makes it useless to compress it for vehicles: it must be purified, primo it is expensive, twoio the purification causes a certain loss of methane strongly diluted in CO2 therefore impossible to burn, and given the enormity of the greenhouse effect of methane, the less loss of methane is losing ecological interest

as in many things there is no miraculous solution good to be generalized excessively

if we want to purify biogas to compress it for vehicles we must not seek to purify all the production of a methanizer, we must purify just a small part while we consume the other part with a generator that burns everything and avoid any rejection

another way to see: what good to put methane in vehicles while others continue to burn oil for heating! it is more logical to reserve the liquid fuels for the vehicles, and the gas for the fixed instalation
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by Remundo » 17/06/17, 13:06

The Agglomeration of Mont de Marsan uses a GNV bus in collaboration with the SORTINO Station.
The urban transport network Tma and Mont de Marsan Agglo tested the new bus that runs on natural gas (CNG). As part of its sustainable mobility development policy []

More info in sycamore news from 16 / 06 / 2017
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by moinsdewatt » 28/07/17, 20:36

An open data card of CNG stations

Aurélie Barbaux Factory New the 13 / 07 / 2017

Not easy to convert carriers to natural gas for vehicles (NGV). To reassure them, the French Association of GNV (AFGNV) has decided to open its data on liquid and gaseous NGV refueling stations on the web platform Mobility gas open data and via an API. "The open data makes sense, because we arrive at a pivotal moment when many players in the freight transport industry are asking questions about investing in more expensive gas trucks from 20 to 30% than diesels," explains Vincent Rousseau. , gas mobility project manager at GRTgaz. They want at least to be sure to have stations near their depots. This is still far from the case. But during the next 12 months, a dozen companies, such as Total via AS24, Engie, Air Liquide, will commission more than 40 natural gas or liquid gas stations, which will complete the existing 60 network, AFGNV assures . And mid-2018, there should be 125 fueling points in France, said the AFGNV. A good start.

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About sixty natural gas stations (as here in Morsbach, Moselle) line the Hexagon.

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by moinsdewatt » 27/10/17, 22:31

Mortagne-sur-Sevre. Green light for Bio Natural Gas Vehicle

Modified the 27 / 10 / 2017

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The first public service station in France that offers natural gas of agricultural origin (CNG) was inaugurated today, in the presence of Bruno Retailleau, senator of Vendée. | Robin Serradeil

Agribiométhane inaugurated today its Bio GNV station. It distributes gas resulting from the transformation of agricultural effluents.


Inauguration with great pomp in Mortagne-sur-Sèvre, for the first public station of France which proposes natural gas organic vehicle, of agricultural origin (GNV). Even though Agribiomethane has already opened the valves of its station last September 21, the second shot of scissors on the ribbon, in the presence among others of Bruno Retailleau, senator of Vendée, Damien Roy, president of Agribiométhane and Alain Leboeuf , president of Vendée Énergie, has formalized an ambitious project.

Two lanes for trucks, one lane for individuals and in tanks, "green gas", produced from agricultural effluents, manure and manure: "The fuel is 100% renewable and can reduce the emission CO² of a vehicle of 80% ", explains Damien Roy.

What about the wallet?

For individuals, it is possible to buy vehicles equipped with a suitable tank directly, depending on the brand, or to install the device on their car. The advantages are not to neglect: at the pump, prices are on average 20% lower than diesel

A resort like this requires almost a million euros of investment. "A station like this one remains profitable largely thanks to heavy truck consumption," says Julia Udron, from GRDF Customer Territories West.


In total, 250 stations of this type could be created anywhere in France by 2025.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la- ... le-5342593
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