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by Targol » 13/09/06, 11:14

Woodcutter wrote:This is not very troublesome since the goal is, first of all, to be able to compare different vehicles with each other reliably.


It is true for you who have the necessary hindsight not to take these displayed consumptions for cash.
But what about someone a little more easily influenced (especially when some pubs put these figures forward!)?

Why not supplement these “theoretical” consumption tests with “real-life” tests?
All cars are made to travel the same route under identical traffic / weather conditions. Route which would include the city, the national / departmental and the highway.

Certainly, we could not guarantee that each vehicle had exactly the same number of red lights, the same number of trucks to double ... but if the comparative dimension is given by the theoretical consumption, adding the real consumption would be a sign of transparency from the manufacturers ...

DRIIIIIING, DRIIIIIIIIING ....
Shit, the alarm clock. Ho guys, I was dreaming of a world where the car manufacturers did not systematically try to swell us ... The awakening is brutal : Cry:
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by Christophe » 13/09/06, 11:23

Targol wrote:Why not supplement these “theoretical” consumption tests with “real-life” tests?


Well, that's what the different rankings of the "clean car" of independent associations are trying to do ... but are they based on real figures or manufacturer data?

View:
https://www.econologie.com/classement-de ... -2084.html
https://www.econologie.com/classement-20 ... -2895.html

Personally, I lean for the second hypothesis ...

On the other hand, Autoplus often performs its own consumption test (on the circuit) ...
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by Targol » 13/09/06, 11:38

Christophe wrote:On the other hand, Autoplus often performs its own consumption test (on the circuit) ...


Most automobile tests carried out by the media (whatever the support) actually give the 2 types of consumption (manufacturer / measured).
The shame is that it takes the purchase this information which, in my opinion, should be given free of charge by consumer measurement organizations.
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by Woodcutter » 13/09/06, 19:46

Targol wrote:[...]
The shame is that it takes the purchase this information which, in my opinion, should be given free of charge by consumer measurement organizations.
Pouted ... it's especially a shame that these standardized cycles do not correspond more to reality when they are not really the conditions that some believe ...

Retrieved from the European Union website, in the "Legislation" section (see here directive 91/441 / CE which provides information on the conditions applicable to the measurement of fuel consumption described in Directive 93/116 / EC)
Annex I APPLICATION, DEFINITIONS, REQUEST FOR EEC TYPE-APPROVAL, EEC TYPE-APPROVAL, TEST REQUIREMENTS, EXTENSION OF EEC EEC TYPE-APPROVAL, CONFORMITY OF PRODUCTION, TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS
[...]
5. REQUIREMENTS AND TESTS
[...]
5.3. Description of the tests
5.3.1. Type I test (checking the average exhaust emissions after a cold start)
5.3.1.1. Figure I / 5.3 shows the different possibilities for the type I test.

This test must be carried out on all vehicles referred to in point 1 and whose maximum mass does not exceed 3,5 t.

5.3.1.2. The vehicle is installed on a dynamometric bench equipped with a system simulating the resistance to the advance and the inertia. 5.3.1.2.1. With the exception of the vehicles referred to in point 8.1, a test is carried out without interruption for a total duration of 19 minutes 40 seconds and comprising two parts ONE and TWO. The idle period between the last deceleration of the last elementary urban cycle (part UN) and the first acceleration of the extra-urban cycle (part TWO) may, after agreement of the manufacturer, be extended by a period without sampling of maximum 20 seconds in order to to facilitate the settings of the test apparatus.

5.3.1.2.2. The UN part is made up of four elementary urban cycles. Each elementary urban cycle is made up of fifteen modes (idle, acceleration, stabilized speed, deceleration, etc.).

5.3.1.2.3. Part TWO is made up of an extra-urban cycle. The extra-urban cycle is made up of thirteen modes (idle, acceleration, steady speed, deceleration, etc.).



Some details in Appendix 1 to Annex III: Type I test (checking the average exhaust emissions after a cold start),
Appendix 1 SEQUENTIAL BREAKDOWN OF THE RUNNING CYCLE FOR THE TYPE I TEST

1. TEST CYCLE

1.1. The test cycle, consisting of a UN part (urban cycle) and a TWO part (extra-urban cycle), is illustrated in Figure III / 1/1.


2. BASIC URBAN CYCLE (PART ONE)

See figure III / 1/2 and table III / 1.2 2.1. Breakdown by modes> PIC FILE = "T0049061">

2.2. Breakdown according to the use of the gearbox> PIC FILE = "T0049062">

2.3. General informations

Average speed during the test: 19,0 km / h Effective running time: 195 s. Theoretical distance traveled per cycle: 1,013 km. Theoretical distance for 4 cycles: 4,052 km.



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3. EXTRA URBAN CYCLE (PART TWO)

See Figure III / 1/3 and Table III / 1/3 3.1. Breakdown according to mode> PIC FILE = "T0049066">

3.2. Breakdown according to the use of the gearbox> PIC FILE = "T0049067">

3.3. General informations

Average speed during the test: 62,6 km / h Effective running time: 400 s Theoretical distance traveled: 6,955 km Maximum speed: 120 km / h Maximum acceleration: 0,833 m / s2 Maximum deceleration: - 1,389 m / s2> PIC FILE = "T0049068">
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We see that some images are missing to make it very clear ... :|
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by zac » 13/09/06, 19:47

Targol wrote:
Christophe wrote:On the other hand, Autoplus often performs its own consumption test (on the circuit) ...


Most automobile tests carried out by the media (whatever the support) actually give the 2 types of consumption (manufacturer / measured).
The shame is that it takes the purchase this information which, in my opinion, should be given free of charge by consumer measurement organizations.


Hello
even "buy" your consumption will not be reliable, all manufacturers make special cars for journalists; at pca (ex psa) in reindeer la janais it takes a lot of space and a lot of people.

the only reliable way is to rent or borrow a box to test it yourself.
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by Capt_Maloche » 13/09/06, 20:43

well said !

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by Christophe » 13/09/06, 21:15

Woodcutter wrote: Maximum acceleration: 0,833 m / s2



Or 27,78 / 0,833 = 33,34s from 0 to 100 km / h ... it's huge isn't it? (sorry I have biker references :D ) ...
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by Woodcutter » 14/09/06, 10:51

Christophe wrote:
Woodcutter wrote: Maximum acceleration: 0,833 m / s2

Or 27,78 / 0,833 = 33,34s from 0 to 100 km / h ... it's huge isn't it? (sorry I have biker references :D ) ...
Yes, it's quite "quiet" as an acceleration ... It could easily be multiplied by two.
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by Targol » 14/09/06, 11:16

Woodcutter wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Woodcutter wrote: Maximum acceleration: 0,833 m / s2

Or 27,78 / 0,833 = 33,34s from 0 to 100 km / h ... it's huge isn't it? (sorry I have biker references :D ) ...
Yes, it's quite "quiet" as an acceleration ... It could easily be multiplied by two.


Perhaps these figures have not been updated for years and do they correspond to average accelerations for a car from the 70s? ... and even !!

Anyway, that explains part of the difference between the theoretical consumption on bench and the real consumption.
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by herge22 » 05/12/07, 01:20

I had a Smart Fortwo with 2004 of which I consumed 7L / 100 (given to 5L / 100 while later, my Audi TDI A4 110Ch of 1999 consumed less 6L / 100 given to 5L too).
The Smart asked to have a heavy foot while the Audi (automatic gearbox) required a "pepere" driving.
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