Looking for transport of the future

[Did67]

Nénamoins, any person of good faith will admit that 20 years ago, a "party" (at work, family) ended with almost everyone lacoolized and ... who took the road.

Today, I notice on many occasions, that people drink much less, that there is often a person who stands, etc ...

And that it is generally the fear of the gendarme, the loss of points on the license, which causes reaction ...

Aloprsd, radar, permit point, pûb campaign, progress on cars (obvious!), Improvement of the road network (the famous roundabouts "), etc ... all this in its own right.

Think people would do this naturally, out of "individual conscience"? Observe your contemporaries and you will tell me the news of their level of consciousness. In the morning, in front of the school, if they could get into the classroom with the car, they would! McDonald's wrappings along the roads ... The raging horn if you don't start at a quarter of a second at the green light (especially if you're in C1 and you "block" a BMW - that's a crime!) ! Etc Etc ... No, behind the wheel, the French generally remain calves!

[sen-no-sen]

Otherwise this curve should be related to the kilometers traveled! We drive a lot more now than in 1970 ...

The downward trend is therefore even stronger!

A diagram relating the traffic index and the number of people killed on the roads:


We see the immense progress made!
... Now if we divide the traffic index by 2 or by 4, we would quickly arrive at the icing on the cake of road safety, but Carlos Ghosn would not be very "cash" €€€€!

We agree lol! We have obviously written our 2 messages at the same time!

And yes! Sync!

@Did67: 100% agree!

[Christophe]

Yes, it's a Didi whole ... we all agree!

We had already talked a lot about road safety, for example, in Belgium we report the road safety figures to km.passengers, example: https://www.econologie.com/forums/securite-r ... t5572.html

2 other topics:

https://www.econologie.com/forums/hypocrisie ... 12448.html

https://www.econologie.com/forums/nouvelles- ... 10809.html

[Christophe]

Another nice sen curve! Between 1985 and 2005, so we die 3.7 times less (= 650/350 * 11000/5500) on the roads for equivalent displacement.

How is the traffic index calculated?

... Now if we divide the traffic index by 2 or 4, we would quickly come to the icing on the cake of road safety, but Carlos Ghosn would not be very cash!

Not understood???

[sen-no-sen]

When I say that there will be less money for Carlos Ghosn, it's simple:
If we reduce car traffic, there will therefore be fewer private vehicles sold and therefore less money for manufacturers and oil tankers!

The circulation index:

it is produced by Sétra, using data from the Association of French Motorway Companies (ASFA) for the licensed network, and from automatic traffic collection on a sample of metering stations for the non-licensed network.
Following the decentralization of part of the NRN to local authorities on January 1, 2006, the traffic index was redefined on its new scope.
A new series was thus built, with a base defined in 2001.

http://www.setra.equipement.gouv.fr/Indice-de-circulation-sur-le.html

[Christophe]

Ah yes ... absolutely it will lower the number of dead necessarily ...

But if we increase the index and the number of deaths does not increase (or better: decrease as the trend of your curve shows) ... well, the efficiency of road safety will be even more obvious ... and Ghosn will be happy as the Minister of the Interior and the economists (with two balls) ...

In short the "system" will be happy ...

[sen-no-sen]

But if we increase the index and the number of deaths does not increase (or better: decrease as the trend of your curve shows) ... well, the efficiency of road safety will be even more obvious ... and Ghosn will be happy as the Minister of the Interior and the economists (with two balls) ...

Yes, but talking about transport of the future while maintaining the errors of the past ...?
Motorist associations play everything on the idea of ​​education, technologies etc ... by implying that it is necessary to remove most of the radars, because these last encroach on their "freedoms".

Car manufacturers, for their part, emphasize the fact that more fuel-efficient cars (hypocrisy on their part, because it is the price at the pump that decides!) And more secure will allow us to continue in a logic of domination. automobile, because they also want to guarantee their "freedoms" ... of sale ...


So if everyone goes about their "freedom" of action, by evading the fundamental principle that more cars = more nuisances, we will never be able to reduce the problem to its maximum.

So we have to be honest with ourselves, technologies are an effective means of reducing nuisances, of course, but solution n ° 1 is to review OUR behavior, and not to push the problem to "hidden variables" , this is true for all areas of life.

Prospects on the transport of the future must therefore take into account factor n ° 1: human psychology (as Janic noted above).

In short the "system" will be happy ...

Happy or on credit?

[Christophe]

Happy or on credit?

Good question, I do not wonder if they have not become synonyms in the consumer society?

[Zypp0]

In 1973-1974 cars topped out at 130 km / h,
in 1983 they realize that alcohol is bad
in 1995 they realize that their 1st measure of 1983 is not good and therefore that it must be lowered.
in 2013 they realize that the Spanish are not worried in France with speeding when driving at 200 km / h, they will have to respect it, at the same time they also realize that the cars rented in luxembourg are not amendable and roll like crazy and of course are not amendable.
in 2014-2015 they will see that the road cars all go between 180 and 350 km hours go faster than the maximum speed they have regulated, and that it is this that feeds crime (overtaking, theft , pollution, injured, dead,) and therefore preventable excess and that if this had been resolved 30 years ago, the number of deaths would have decreased by a peak of more than 20%.

There are the mistakes of the past, of the present, and therefore of the future. Nothing changes. If you have always waited for their limit to respect good and not good, you are like dead. Nothing to applaud.

[Janic]

in 1983 they realize that alcohol is bad
in 1995 they realize that their 1st measure of 1983 is not good and therefore that it must be lowered

We do not live in the country of bisounours! The rulers knew and still know that alcohol is a drug, certainly legal but a drug all the same, representing a very important economic sector and that the lobbies protect vigorously. Some countries had already imposed a minimum rate of 0 and the descent to 0.5g / just was made to spare the goat and the cabbage. In a way, a few hundred deaths justify the maintenance of an economic sector and a culture of social alcoholism.