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by Janic » 20/08/13, 12:47

sen no sen hello
It may not be "politically correct" to say it, but people who cannot afford to own a car, should stay in this situation ...
Ford had understood that keeping "luxury" products only for a small elite was going to have a suicidal effect for the business, hence its democratization of the car which has allowed tens of millions of people to own and operate them. even kick-start the industry.
Another aspect that is more of the psychology of the individual, that of appearing to be what one is not, and the automobile is one of the most characteristic aspects.
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by chatelot16 » 20/08/13, 12:53

ca deserves reflection

for he who does not own car there is already a solution: the taxi

and there have 2eme a solution: the car rental short lasted all automatic

the taxi solves every problem with a competant driver bonus ... alas the taxi is too expensive now because it is too taxed

the solution automatically rental will cost a lot of equipment to monitor everything and try to avoid vandalism and accident, without necessarily well get there

it is logical in a country where there are too many unemployed person to continue to overtax taxi, and dream of a fully automatic solution?

no, he would favor a taxi for the service has increased financial everyone, which would promote the use of public transport in general

often a train journey is worth nothing because the last km to do cost a taxi too expensive
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by Zypp0 » 20/08/13, 13:21

This is not the fault of the consumer and driver
Drivers and consumers are only complicit in the system.

Sen no sen: the industry is not above but below the reasonable! I think that it is currently not reasonable enough even though progress has been achieved. If cars were banded 20 years ago when they saw that the cars arrived at speeds with excessive motors, the world would have saved in excess fuel.

The materials are becoming scarce precisely it is time to make cars smarter, smaller engines, passenger car drive (without highway), less comfortable but still much more than walking on foot or bicycle. With cleaner cars is better.

Sen no sen, if I understand you, you explain in this topic transport need to walk? I do not understand your or improving the system?
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by Zypp0 » 20/08/13, 13:34

Chatelot16: The taxi is for one who has no license and is transported to the most expensive price, we're not talking about the same thing, it's another way of transportation!. Charlot taxi is not 50 10 cents to kil, your comparison does not hold water : Idea:

Nothing is closer to the truth than falsehood. I think the AC is.
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by chatelot16 » 20/08/13, 14:17

in countries that are not crashed by the charges on labor and bad tax, the taxi is cheaper than car rental

Taxi and car rental are 2 automatic way to share the car ... in a case that employs the other driver ... in case this request additional electronic equipment for safety

to serve as a driver was available a few million unemployed ... for the electronic equipment we will buy everything in China as usual
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by sen-no-sen » 20/08/13, 14:34

Zypp0 wrote:
Sen no sen: the industry is not above but below the reasonable!


If we want consideration the current global growth rate, one should have about ... 4 billion automobiles worldwide in 2040 !!!
The depletion of raw materials should we happily avoid such chaos!
Such a development in the automotive sector is a madness!

The materials are becoming scarce precisely it is time to make cars smarter, smaller engines, passenger car drive (without highway), less comfortable but still much more than walking on foot or bicycle. With cleaner cars is better.


It is indeed urgent to develop cars sober in energy as you mention.
However, given the global demographics, solution No. 1 is and will remain the proximity and the development of muscle transportation (walking cycling) and public transport.

Another point, there is no "clean car", all motorized travel corresponds to a degree of environmental levy which necessarily induces nuisance to the biosphere ....

Sen no sen, if I understand you, you explain in this topic transport need to walk? I do not understand your or improving the system?


Homo sapiens crowd the soil of this planet for over 100 000 years, the use of the automobile generalized manner only dates from 50 years ... how was it before?

Some figure concerning automotive "progress":

In France there are about 4000 death per year on the roads ...
Between 8000 and 15000 dead following air pollution problems ... just in France ...
The car is 14% of the household budget ....
It is also established that the obesity epidemic is perfectly correlated with the use of the car (which is part of the growth logic, junk food etc ...), or more than 50 000 deaths per year ....
The oil needed to run the automobile is taken from countries with whom we must maintain dubious reports (widespread corruption) to see regime change ... how many deaths in Iraq already?

The "progress" ... hum!

Nevertheless there is no question of removing the car, but the drastic reduction in industrial countries (in the order of -50%), nuance!
And in order to share its use with other inhabitants of the world.
A virtuous world would be based on proximity and promote walking, cycling etc ...
For journeys over long distance, public transport are ideal.
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by Zypp0 » 20/08/13, 15:04

Chatelot: you can not help doing better for less:
Conventional taxi and hire car there is nothing new everyone knows! I will not talk! I'm not talking to rent cars through intermediaries, I'm talking about creating more motor vehicles and therefore can revive the industry.

If I follow your reasoning, it's a bit like saying, why are not you in an Internet cafe rather than having a computer at home that makes person to win money? car hire is not the same thing as free car, you can not do 50 10 cents to kil, the taxi like waiting 15 minutes without being paid.

Sen not sen:

I suggest a less radical solution than yours (because it is not payable to other past mistakes) already badly you know the numbers of deaths on the roads! we came to a peak of 16000 80 deaths in years, which means that if you add up each year since the beginning of the automotive one is around double the numbers you advertise, what is mathematically not negligible, to contairement you argue! Automotive has more than 200 milion deaths worldwide, with more than 1 miliard wounded a large majority of a sub estimation of the speed prescriptive. So I say no, we need to review your copy.
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by chatelot16 » 20/08/13, 15:34

my name is car free it from automatic location, which may cost more than you imagine

I do not say that the taxi is the miracle solution: I simply said that it is an effective solution that is currently stifled by bad tax

it does not prevent that my favorite porn solution and the little car has slight ultra reliable speed and large capacity, the manufacturer does not want to do, and that current regulations prohibit the imposition of passive safety standard that would have been useful when you could ride a 150

now that you have to drive slowly, we can get back to doing legere car like 2CV and even more mild thanks to the current technique!
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by sen-no-sen » 20/08/13, 16:13

Zypp0 wrote:
Sen not sen:

I suggest a less radical solution than yours (because it is not payable to other past mistakes)


The mistakes of the past? :frown:
Automakers today do they cause any more damage?
"The past", "the others" ... are effective means not to call into question our way of life, it is the same for agro-industry or mass farming, it is at others to make an effort, to become vegetarian etc ... but who are the others, or is the past? Where does the future action start?




already badly you know the numbers of deaths on the roads!


The figures I have given the number of death per year, of course, a bit of good faith!
In 2011 we were at 3963 road deaths, (road safety figures), a slight drop to 3645 in 2012 (radars, "crisis" etc ...)
Globally every year it is about 1,24 million deaths (WHO figures).

Accident statistics France
According to figures from road safety, 3 645 people were killed on the roads in 2012, 3963 against in 2011.



http://www.preventionroutiere.asso.fr/Nos-publications/Statistiques-d-accidents

So the numbers?

Automotive has more than 200 milion deaths worldwide, with more than 1 miliard wounded a large majority of a sub estimation of the speed prescriptive.


These are total figures, which confirms what I mentioned above, continue in any jalopy is a completely foolish decision!

So I say no, we need to review your copy.


I expected an argument a little further ...
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by Zypp0 » 20/08/13, 17:08

Sen no sen, as you want the argument further so I'll do it for you not understand that. I would respond with further arguments when questions are not silly and derogatory as the one you write:

Homo sapiens crowd the soil of this planet for over 100 000 years, the use of the automobile generalized manner only dates from 50 years ... how was it before?


Before we lived in the forests, there were not even 200 000 Homo sapiens around the world, we had a fire and gathered the trees. You propose we do as before? we removed the umbrellas from oil and smokeless fire? Progress is doing better, ca agree to your question or you want to do questions and answers argued all alone?

I believe that auditory nuisance, trains are not outdone, agriculture with its thousands of cohabitants pesticides together with the evaporation of pulverized products also end up somewhere, foods that contain lots of chemical dyes that can be the mangers, oil is probably less dangerous, the issue is not to compare which is the
more death.

As well said Mr. Vergès, the issues installers are also the bombers. I understand your intentions destruction but no buildings. What do you want me to swallow with your theory? that the car existed that in 2012 and 2013? you are born than last year? You're in luck ! because in the years 80 it was 16'000 dead 4 times more than the existing minimum you advertise! But it did not seem to bother you more than ca.

I'm not Mr. figure, I am already informed me I have not waited 2012 and 2013 to see what he was going on the road and let me know. The graph of the dead (I have not printed) decade after decade and year after year on the road I have ever seen, unlike you. But this moves away from the main topic, I will not continue in this direction.
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