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by bernardd » 05/02/10, 09:04

The geometric part of this problem is quite complex.

It is easier to understand it under an energy analysis.

Whether you climb a stone by an elevator (straight ahead ...) or by a big wheel, or by any path, you are going to spend more energy anyway than the potential gravitational energy that you are going to give to the stone, by the increase in altitude.

And when it goes down, it will not be able to give more energy than the gravitational potential energy lost by the fall in altitude, whatever the path followed.

cf http://www.web-sciences.com/fiches1s/fiche19/fiche19.php for the definition of gravitational potential energy.
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by Capt_Maloche » 07/02/10, 21:17

Bonjour à tous

To compensate for the lack of precision, it is enough to increase the scale of the realization :D

And then, even if I am convinced today, it was not always so, these small models are very formative, I still have 2 or 3 in the garage

Negative or opposite, indeed we speak well of forces in the small graphic demonstration
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by quartz » 07/02/10, 22:56

Good evening everyone, :D

I also did a lot of models including some on the ideas of Capt, but in the magnetic field.
To return to gravity, I designed a few on the model proposed a little above,
Everything is always balanced.
In my experience, practical I specify, what to locate is an asymmetry of behavior.
To be clearer if we manage to find any design or any tip,
which create an asymmetry of behavior with regard to gravity there we have a chance.
if not it's not worth it.
This only engages me, of course, if you need to make one or more models to convince yourself go ahead, I did the same.

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by Capt_Maloche » 08/02/10, 23:27

Hi Quartz :D

So where are you with these field deviations?

I recently read that one of the grails of physics had just been discovered physically at the particle scale, this should interest you:

A unipolar particle, yes yes, just a South Pole or a North Pole, crazy no?
certainly on a quantum scale

to believe that the magnetic circuits which I use for demonstrations on our models, are only the result of a multitude of phenomena on another scale
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by quartz » 08/02/10, 23:41

Good evening everyone, :D

Hello Capt, yes I have read the infos concerning this discovery.
The mathematical level is a bit high for me, but basically I understood the principle.
That said, it is not tomorrow the day before that we are going to buy neodymium pellets all north or all south !!

Regarding deviation tests, I'm starting to understand the mechanism a little better,
when i say a little better, it’s no more than that.
We have the tools and designs to deflect the field at leisure.
But on the other hand as regards the energy consumed restored we are conservative in dynamics.
we designed a reel to lift masses, important,
of the order of 50 Kg, the On Off ratio is 5 G (saw blade) at 47,5 Kg for a force on the switch of the order of 5 Kg
But for the moment that we try to maneuver quickly nothing is going well.
To follow then.

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by bernardd » 09/02/10, 08:30

Capt_Maloche wrote:I recently read that one of the grails of physics had just been discovered physically at the particle scale, this should interest you:

A unipolar particle, yes yes, just a South Pole or a North Pole, crazy no?
certainly on a quantum scale


If you talk about experience in crystals, they are not elementary particles.

On the other hand, the Nantes experiment which reproduces Russian experiments seems to have put its finger on particles leaving a spiral trace, unknown elsewhere. This experience is very similar to that of the Z-Machine, except that it takes place in water.

The wikipedia summary is clear and has all the necessary links:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monop%C3%B ... C3%A9tique

Capt_Maloche wrote:to believe that the magnetic circuits which I use for demonstrations on our models, are only the result of a multitude of phenomena on another scale


Anyway :-)
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by bernardd » 09/02/10, 08:33

quartz wrote:Regarding deviation tests, I'm starting to understand the mechanism a little better,
when i say a little better, it’s no more than that.
We have the tools and designs to deflect the field at leisure.
But on the other hand as regards the energy consumed restored we are conservative in dynamics.
we designed a reel to lift masses, important,
of the order of 50 Kg, the On Off ratio is 5 G (saw blade) at 47,5 Kg for a force on the switch of the order of 5 Kg
But for the moment that we try to maneuver quickly nothing is going well.


Interesting, do you use the same principle as machine tool attachments, with a manual switch that turns a magnet 90 °?
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by Projéthée » 04/03/10, 16:00

An answer that may please Harry the delighted (in any case I dedicate it to him)
Having been working on a roberval system for some time, I think I have eliminated enemy N ° 1 from these mechanics.
Before deciding anything categorically about this geometry or its derivatives, take a good look at the one below, it is much less trivial than it seems.
IMPORTANT legend:
__ A is now mounted FREE on the main axis
__ M '' (linked to A) has been calculated, in mass and in distance from point R (center of rotation of A and / or of the rotor) to generate on A a couple capable of opposing the two couples of rotation which are exerted on the gears P because of the placement of the masses M.
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My deductions:
__ the gears I being subjected to two couples of the same force but opposite find themselves in a position which one can qualify as neutral. At most we will generate forces at their axis which will increase friction a little but NOTHING which is likely to prevent their rotation around A. A bit like the arm of a balance; load the trays as much as you want, but evenly, and the balance is maintained. Depending on the quality of your axis, a flick is enough to tilt on one side or the other.
I therefore take it for granted that the AIPM-M system '' constitutes a "balance" in equilibrium.
__ there is another system constituting a balance which it is not in equilibrium.
If we consider the Rotor-PM system, we also have a tilt system there but whose center of gravity is located at point G (resulting from g + g).
__ since the gears I are "neutral", there is therefore a priori nothing that can prevent the system from entering into rotation in an attempt to find a position of equilibrium. Position which it will not find since whatever the position of the rotor during cycle G does not move. Never. And therein lies the whole point of this geometry.

So, either I am wrong in my deductions (please tell me precisely where and why), or ELLE TOURNE.

If someone feels to ask all the equations and / or to make a simulation to take this design in default, I can only approve. In the meantime, I start to look at the needs for a model. Hurry up.
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by harry ravi » 21/03/10, 23:04

It sounds very interesting but very complex too.

I don't really see how to calculate a couple on this.

But to try, I think that a model may be possible.

But I think we will have to be extremely precise about the manufacturing and the balance of the masses used.

Good luck.
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by dedeleco » 22/03/10, 02:02

Amusing these 35 pages on mechanical perpetual movements !!
Admiring the ingenuity to find cases that make meninges on 35pages.
Concretely if the system is not in static equilibrium (unbalanced weights), it will move, until the loss by friction stops it in a position in quasi equilibrium.
The great scholars of centuries past Lagrange and Hamilton have strongly reflected on all these problems of classical mechanics in general with energy to write the movements of any mechanical system from the basic laws (Galileo), too this ingenious wheel as well as that of the planets.
We establish the Lagrangian and Hamilton's equations (around 1850) and we solve the movement on a computer (I admire these scientists who succeeded without a computer !!).
Sure result, with a little dissipation, no system moves perpetually !!
If you succeed in doing the opposite, after 3 centuries of testing, you will have demonstrated that the basic laws are false under these conditions.
Finally, these scientists discovered the principle of least action in classical mechanics, which with Huyghens and Fermat (geniuses around 1600 to 1700), led to quantum mechanics in 1927 with the duality of particle waves and spatial relocation!
A better proof of this delocalized quantum wave function is the discovery of the fractional quantum Hall effect with quasi particles of non-whole charges formed with electrons of whole charge.
Following the same quantum principle, quantum quasiparticles with magnetic monopoles have recently been discovered, but in fact they remain opposite in the sample as in the two poles opposite the ends of a magnet, but being quantumly mobile like particles and therefore measurable statistical properties.
But we have no real isolated monopoly challenging physics.
Finally quantum mechanics are perplexing, with for example:
when we detect a photon emitted by a star 10 billion years ago and which is described by a wave function with a radius of 10 billion light years (!!), no detector in the universe will be able to detect after , like us, this same photon, and we wonder how the universe realizes elsewhere that this photon has disappeared in less than a microsecond throughout the universe on a sphere of radius 10 billion years at an almost infinite speed.
Some have shown that one cannot transmit information in this way and therefore it is not disturbing !!!
Concretely, the quantum wave is like the circular wave obtained by throwing a stone in a pond and the detector is the first boat which is shaken by the wave, but it removes it, instantly for all the other boats which are never shaken! !!! It is the particle wave duality !!!
Some think that each of the other boats is shaken in other parallel universes, which have appeared as doppelgangers, following the mathematical description to the letter !!!
Finally, with quantum mechanics, at the microscopic level, we can be in many possible places at the same time, like a wave, (explanation of the chemical bond), which allows by having several look-alikes at the same time to carry out calculations in parallel with a single quantum computer which will make it possible to decipher secret codes that cannot be deciphered with a conventional computer !!
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