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Well, after the perpetual movement, total incomprehension. Then come the personal attacks and finally the counter philosophy ...
Bravo to all for the level of this subject!
Bravo to all for the level of this subject!
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highflyaddict wrote:Well, after the perpetual movement, total incomprehension. Then come the personal attacks and finally the counter philosophy ...
Bravo to all for the level of this subject!
I don't think it's in order ...
It started with the total incomprehension on the part of the "critics" who saw a perpetual movement where the others only see (or only saw) movement assisted by gravity of a sufficiently long duration to produce energy . It's a big nuance.
Misunderstanding that some people like to tinker and need to see to account for certain physical realities.
Misunderstanding that the ambition is not to revolutionize science, but to understand it at the risk of making a mistake.
Whether it is feasible or not, there is no reason to attack members of the forum so brutally, making dialogue impossible.
However, this was done quickly and the personal attacks started a while ago (much to my regret) when they were not justified.
I tried to lighten the mood without success. After a while, when the aggressor continues (even if his theory is well-founded), it should not be surprising that it degenerates.
As for the level of philosophy, everyone is free to judge their level. This judgment on your part in my opinion only makes things worse.
Besides, it would be good to think about this quote: "I do not agree with your ideas but I am ready to die so that you can express them"
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At least we stay positive, good analysis
And, for my part, I only wanted to defend the dream part that makes any human enterprise work ...
Whether you like it or not, if the idea germinates and the theories are verified and contradicted by some, it is part of the game of CREATION ... no creation without prior "dream" ...
Greetings from the neighborhood philosopher, who dreams of a better world and who lets the sheep roar and grow the flowers of hope and creativity ...
At least we stay positive, good analysis
And, for my part, I only wanted to defend the dream part that makes any human enterprise work ...
Whether you like it or not, if the idea germinates and the theories are verified and contradicted by some, it is part of the game of CREATION ... no creation without prior "dream" ...
Greetings from the neighborhood philosopher, who dreams of a better world and who lets the sheep roar and grow the flowers of hope and creativity ...
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"The power of love, must be stronger than the love of power" contemporary Lie Tzu?
One sees clearly only with the heart, the essential is invisible to the eyes ...
Hello
The Worcester wheel is the wheel that turns thanks to gravity ???
I found one that works.
It's all about balance
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x4lh ... e?from=rss
A little humor on this post which needs it
I'm still waiting to see the prototypes.
Courage
The Worcester wheel is the wheel that turns thanks to gravity ???
I found one that works.
It's all about balance
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x4lh ... e?from=rss
A little humor on this post which needs it
I'm still waiting to see the prototypes.
Courage
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Hello to all,
it's dry talk over here!
Just that word to say two things that are unlikely to advance the schmilblick.
1) As was said in response to the somewhat aggressive posts by Comode, I think that the proportion of people who believe 100% in the possibility of perpetual motion, gravitational, magnetic or other, is still quite low. On the other hand, there is a sizeable population of people who know deep down that this is probably not possible, but who would love it so much! It’s very likely that a number of these people end up talking about this forum.
2) I do not endorse but nevertheless I understand perfectly the aggressiveness of this person, because I have been given to react several times in the same way when faced with pure ignorance (the ignorance of the principle of conservation of the energy, ignorance of what a conservative force is), or to arguments like conspiracy theory (the scientific community is walking hand in hand with governments around the world to ridicule free energy research) , or that the theories stated in high school should be "completed", or even forgotten, when one approaches the study of physical phenomena at a much higher level. The two principles of thermodynamics are as valid for a 1st year student as for an emeritus university professor, and that cannot be helped. Even Donald Simanek, precisely professor emeritus of Lock Haven University in Pennsylvania, whose site dedicated to perpetual machines "that do not work" is available in http://www.lhup.edu/%7Edsimanek/museum/unwork.htm , sincerely thinks so.
Since we are talking about humor, go see a little what the Shadoks think of perpetual movement;) It sounds silly but it is not that much (hurry before they remove the film! )
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... shortfilms
Good night
it's dry talk over here!
Just that word to say two things that are unlikely to advance the schmilblick.
1) As was said in response to the somewhat aggressive posts by Comode, I think that the proportion of people who believe 100% in the possibility of perpetual motion, gravitational, magnetic or other, is still quite low. On the other hand, there is a sizeable population of people who know deep down that this is probably not possible, but who would love it so much! It’s very likely that a number of these people end up talking about this forum.
2) I do not endorse but nevertheless I understand perfectly the aggressiveness of this person, because I have been given to react several times in the same way when faced with pure ignorance (the ignorance of the principle of conservation of the energy, ignorance of what a conservative force is), or to arguments like conspiracy theory (the scientific community is walking hand in hand with governments around the world to ridicule free energy research) , or that the theories stated in high school should be "completed", or even forgotten, when one approaches the study of physical phenomena at a much higher level. The two principles of thermodynamics are as valid for a 1st year student as for an emeritus university professor, and that cannot be helped. Even Donald Simanek, precisely professor emeritus of Lock Haven University in Pennsylvania, whose site dedicated to perpetual machines "that do not work" is available in http://www.lhup.edu/%7Edsimanek/museum/unwork.htm , sincerely thinks so.
Since we are talking about humor, go see a little what the Shadoks think of perpetual movement;) It sounds silly but it is not that much (hurry before they remove the film! )
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... shortfilms
Good night
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benring wrote:...
moving assisted by gravity for a sufficiently long time to produce energy.
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Besides, it would be good to think about this quote: "I do not agree with your ideas but I am ready to die so that you can express them"
I'm sorry, but the first part of the quotation testifies to a misunderstanding of the basic laws of physics. I stop there, no need to come back to it.
For the second part, I do not believe that anyone in this subject has infringed on freedom of expression. Opinions differ, some argue rigorously while others turn a deaf ear and turn their attention. That's all, but the misunderstanding is still there.
And that's a shame !
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highflyaddict wrote:For the second part, I do not believe that anyone in this subject has infringed on freedom of expression.
In my opinion, intolerance is a way of attacking freedom of expression. Everyone should have the right to be encouraged to have their own experiences without incurring insults from those who know they will not work.
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AH, finally, you get to the bottom of the problem
just like the financial crisis is a crisis based on trust, the good question is:
can we trust the specialists?
there are so many examples where the "knowing" took advantage of their notoriety to enrich themselves on the backs of the gullible, the Madoff affair for example, scientists also to obtain notoriety and subsidies ... that some of them we no longer want to swallow affirmations without a minimum of verification
the approach suits me.
just like the financial crisis is a crisis based on trust, the good question is:
can we trust the specialists?
there are so many examples where the "knowing" took advantage of their notoriety to enrich themselves on the backs of the gullible, the Madoff affair for example, scientists also to obtain notoriety and subsidies ... that some of them we no longer want to swallow affirmations without a minimum of verification
the approach suits me.
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To say or not to say ...
I'm OK with Capt_Maloche, but the "scientists" who haunt this forum have no particular reason to discourage DIY enthusiasts: they will not get a bonus if they come to an end. They gain nothing, in fact.
Hell is paved with good intentions: the MP is perhaps one of the cases where this saying is true. The intention, highly commendable, is simply to alert the person that he risks wasting a lot of time and money trying to make a chimera. This is for example what happened here: http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/dupre ... rendev.htm where a good man of the trade explains that he spent a lot of energy, talent and money to make a Perendev engine according to their plans, and finally concludes his page with the lapidary sentence "But… Weird… It does not work !!! ??? ". Personally, that it does not work does not surprise me: the opposite would have surprised me. I would have liked to tell him: probably he would not have believed me, but if he had believed me it would have saved him all this waste of resources.
The other possibility is to say nothing and let it go, knowing full well what it is. What do you think is the best thing to do?
Hell is paved with good intentions: the MP is perhaps one of the cases where this saying is true. The intention, highly commendable, is simply to alert the person that he risks wasting a lot of time and money trying to make a chimera. This is for example what happened here: http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/dupre ... rendev.htm where a good man of the trade explains that he spent a lot of energy, talent and money to make a Perendev engine according to their plans, and finally concludes his page with the lapidary sentence "But… Weird… It does not work !!! ??? ". Personally, that it does not work does not surprise me: the opposite would have surprised me. I would have liked to tell him: probably he would not have believed me, but if he had believed me it would have saved him all this waste of resources.
The other possibility is to say nothing and let it go, knowing full well what it is. What do you think is the best thing to do?
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