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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Opale2sang » 02/04/16, 11:34

Obamot wrote:Just so we know a little more about you (and at random):

How old are you?
What certified studies have you done with a diploma, do you already have a "real" job?
In what field are you a researcher exactly?

Otherwise we risk explaining things that you would have already seen in class, which would be a waste of time, or that you would not have seen, and maybe you would not understand?

Cordially. ^^


Well I am 41 years old I am a "gear cutter" I have a technical qualification certificate in general mechanics (it is between a BEP and a BAC pro).

I'm not a researcher, I'm just interested in science that's all.

But if in the end you tell me that all this can not have a higher performance than a turbine in the case of a low flow I can understand it because I have a lot of notion about energy forces or the electromagnetism, but at my level I do not know how to calculate the efficiency of the device with the frictional losses of water, nor how this calculates the potential energy of the weight with a gravitational field in the water.

I understand that in the state the device is not very interesting, but I find it very versatile and with many possibilities, and I would like to be sure not to miss something.

Understand that I did not come here to say that I have an on-unit functional device, certainly not, I would just understand why if the loss performance is limited to the volume of the weight (ideal) this is not interesting to exploit a low flow.

Also, I think that even if the device can not be used to exploit a low flow, I imagine very well that it can be optimized for the transfer of a fluid with less than 50% of loss despite everything, and nothing for that I thought it useful to take a look at it.

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Re: The communicating vessels.




by Christophe » 02/04/16, 13:45

Obamot wrote:Well, the gray energy that it took to transform into a 100-storey cistern with sections, will never have been provided before construction and will never provide anything after ... In addition, the slabs and water will have to be reinforced. it is 1T / m3 x surface ...! It will cost bomb to absorb the bending moment in the center and send it back to the foundations on each floor ... Increase the template, stretch the floor space, widen the walls, shoe the slabs accordingly etc ... is the complete opposite of optimization to build a "thing" that is useless .... nothing.
All for no gain and you say that "the reasoning would be correct".


This remark about the gray energy is not valid when we do research !! It is valid in case of industrialization (and again ... why do you think that car manufacturers communicate very little above ... because it's not folichon!)

And the gray energy spoiled there are millions of examples on Earth every day!
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Obamot » 02/04/16, 14:06

You are a magician, you are able to justify everything.

Congratulations !
Well, I feel a new call for air around the energies surunitaires (hey hey)
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by moinsdewatt » 02/04/16, 14:13

Opale2sang wrote:Hello, indeed Obamot is right, his point of view is correct and the statement "I cannot say that this> 1".

Of course it is "I affirm that it is <1" that it should have been written that goes without saying.

On the other hand, if we prefer to use pumps to raise water 50% of a transfer by communicating vessel, this is wrong because over time the energy to spend a number of pump transfers a day or the other will return to the amount needed to modify the tanks, so the argument is not as valid as it seems, but overall, indeed we will not win millions with this device, which I recall it n is a first sketch of the idea.

By cons I propose another sketch as promised (with a lot of late sorry).

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The losses are always less than 50% of the water, and obviously the volume of the weight is part of it, and it should be emphasized that the kinetic energy produced by the movement of the pulley, cannot have an efficiency> 1, but still I persist and sign to move a weight just by opening valves with an efficiency of less than 50% water loss could be interesting.

To close your eyes on this system is like saying that moving a magnet with an electromagnet with a yield greater than 50% is useless.

But the comparison is incorrect because it takes the energy needed to open the valves, and it is true, but I still think that theoretically this system is interesting to study because compartments with a certain volume can benefit transfer energy to make the valves less energy-consuming or almost energy-free.

As for the system of pulleys and weights it is only interesting if the water available to top up is above the device of course, but also and above all it allows to exploit a water source with a low flow.

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Shadoks do not they do a little better?

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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Christophe » 02/04/16, 14:30

Obamot wrote:You are a magician, you are able to justify everything.


When a counter-argument is irrelevant in my opinion, I say it: it's not the principle of a forum?

The first Fermi nuclear reactor was 0.5W ... do you think the researchers thought about the gray energy at that time? : Cheesy:

So when we do research, when we want to demonstrate a principle, well the gray energy is not an argument to take into account ... that's all I wanted to say.

And I do not think I'm wrong on this one!
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Christophe » 02/04/16, 14:35

Opale2sang wrote:By cons I propose another sketch as promised (with a lot of late sorry).


A demonstrator with N = 4 or 5 should be easily achievable, for example, in plexigass and with small aquarium valves ...
Valves to be replaced later by solenoid valves controlled by high level sensors and an arduino to handle all this!

Just to see how many cycles you really know how to do before it "blocks" ...
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Opale2sang » 02/04/16, 15:38

"Aren't the shadoks doing a little better?"

Very funny but here we let go we do not try to go higher, moreover a bit of humor too, what happens if under such a device I put a second device that recovers losses, so what exactly are the fillers he needs to work?

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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Philippe Schutt » 02/04/16, 18:21

If the 1er tank is mounted on a well calculated spring, the level can remain almost stable while the tank goes up and down.
blow 1 single valve
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by Opale2sang » 02/04/16, 18:41

Philippe Schutt wrote:If the 1er tank is mounted on a well calculated spring, the level can remain almost stable while the tank goes up and down.
blow 1 single valve


But how to make it waterproof?
Well the idea is worth it, it may be a solution why not, anyway there are many possibilities.

But it's interesting, thank you.
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Re: Communicating vessels?




by moinsdewatt » 03/04/16, 13:09

Opale2sang wrote:"Aren't the shadoks doing a little better?"

Very funny but here we let go we do not try to go higher, moreover a bit of humor too, what happens if under such a device I put a second device that recovers losses, so what exactly are the fillers he needs to work?

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: roll:

you rediscover the wheel it would seem?

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