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by Tagor » 01/06/10, 18:32

sen-no-sen wrote:There are apparently a lot of "believers" in the field of "free energy" and other spinning magnets, why insist on overriding the principle of conservation of energy, knowing that this is not possible?


who claims to override the principle of energy conservation?

as i already said on this forum , before throwing all-out stuff ...

it would be good to clarify this principle of energy conservation?

who dares to stick to it?
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by coucou789456 » 01/06/10, 18:43

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Tagor wrote:for this video, this engine turns very very fast
but does he have power?
yes it turns fast, but it says in essence in the last video that it tried in the morning and that it turned faster ( http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollecti ... zRahnfYDMM at 3.51 at the start) but that there its battery was a little weak (at 4.06), the engine does not turn more than 9600 RPM, it gets 65.8 V (sic) that will have to recharge the battery, it seems to me, that will be the minimum !

in short, there is always a battery connected and when it specifies that it is discharged, it turns slower.

from the same experimenter http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollecti ... U10XJn67ao , well, it cuts the supply of the battery, and the engine slows down but it shows that it still produces ... er it produces what in fact, it should theoretically maintain the movement, or even accelerate it because there is more of voltage to the battery, he himself says that it turns faster.

note the ingenuity of the models produced. on a note from 1 to 10, I will give 3, if only for the realization, for the rest we don't see anything ... or else he doesn't know how to film his experiences.

we may be wrong about the final goal of his experiences, possible that the goal is to achieve an engine that rotates very quickly with little energy, but no over-unity.

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by dedeleco » 01/06/10, 18:46

It is not possible at the macro scale, at the nano scale I would not be so certain ... see the casimir effect!

Heck, the Casimir effect respects energy conservation, when measured in physics, no offense to uluberlus who distort everything !!
The Casimir effect is initially the Van der Walls interaction for the case of 2 molecules not too far apart !!
Van der Waals, also quantum, with virtual photons, conserves energy and is the basis of solid, liquid to vapor passage !!
Casimir is what becomes Van der Waals at a greater distance, when the propagation time of virtual photons becomes long !!
So it conserves energy !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force
The London-van der Waals forces are related to the Casimir effect for dielectric media, the former being the microscopic description of the latter bulk property. The first detailed calculations of this were done in 1955 by EM Lifshitz. [2] [3]


At the nano level quantum mechanics describes the passage very quickly through high energy states (virtual), but at the end, in long time, the energy is conserved !!
Thus, for nano, we can go through higher energies by passing barriers, very quickly as in the tunnel effect, but in the end the energy is preserved !!
Radioactivity is a tunnel effect with passage through a barrier which if high, gives radioactive life times of billions of years !!
The chemical reactions, the photoelectric effect are quantum, with energy of the photons of the vacuum, with passage over narrow barriers of higher energy, virtual states, of very short time, but which conserve energy, like a photovoltaic panel prove it all the time !!
But Casimir, quantum, vacuum energy, respect the conservation of energy on our scale for an engine or heating !!

All is not resolved, and it remains to be discovered, but the current experimental facts explained will remain with the same explanations but more complex at very high virtual energies which remain unknown and almost inaccessible, and studied at LEP in Geneva.
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by Tagor » 01/06/10, 18:47

it's pretty incredible as there are some who bark like crazy
when they see feathers passing ...

because they "believe" to be on the safe side ... it is also a form of belief ...

instead of parroting it would be nice to relate to facts!
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by coucou789456 » 01/06/10, 18:59

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Tagor wrote:who claims to override the principle of energy conservation?

as i already said on this forum , before throwing all-out stuff ...

it would be good to clarify this principle of energy conservation?
yes but here, if there were not people who ignore this principle, nobody will embark on this kind of experiments, and we would not be there debating!

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this is also energy conservation ... Image or another bike bar
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by dedeleco » 01/06/10, 18:59

it would be good to clarify this principle of energy conservation

Read the 400 years of history of experiences that are the basis of energy, explaining all the technology that surrounds our life !!
When you climb a good hill by bike while pedaling without assistance, (very good for health) your spent energy becomes gravitational energy recoverable when going down, to charge batteries of the electric bike !!

A good food: pedal hard
http://www.physorg.com/news194527073.html
And specify the principle of energy conservation
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by sen-no-sen » 01/06/10, 19:24

Hi Tagor!

instead of parroting it would be nice to relate to facts!


Well the facts are there, there is not the slightest evidence that his machines produce anything super-unitary!
Above all, it produces disillusionment!
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by Tagor » 01/06/10, 19:26

lots of parrots ...

but few answers
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by Tagor » 01/06/10, 19:33

sen-no-sen wrote:Hi Tagor!

instead of parroting it would be nice to relate to facts!


Well the facts are there, there is not the slightest evidence that his machines produce anything super-unitary!
Above all, it produces disillusionment!


lots of parrots but little response

Stiffler has clearly demonstrated that his assemblies are "overunitary"

(remains to specify what it really means !!)

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MRH2O2#g/u
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by coucou789456 » 01/06/10, 20:37

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in this subject, there should not remain to be debated here only the believers, the others should move towards another subject created for this purpose, but it is not the only one in the forum https://www.econologie.com/forums/tribune-me ... t9715.html
Avoid cluttering the subject with messages that are not really related to the point.

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