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[Brollian]

The definition of an engine is something that transforms non-mechanical energy into mechanical energy.
Outside on the quartz video we see a machine which transforms mechanical energy supplied by the hand into mechanical energy, so it is not a motor!

[Capt_Maloche]

The definition of an engine is something that transforms non-mechanical energy into mechanical energy.
Outside on the quartz video we see a machine which transforms mechanical energy supplied by the hand into mechanical energy, so it is not a motor!

GRRR, who said it was an engine? it is about a research work started last summer in "magnetic engines of all kinds", very serious what is more (thank you for reading my messages seriously)

To be understood, this subject deserves a little attention ; apparently Quartz, you are the only one to have grasped all the implications of this montage

see my post a little above in response to Remundo with the animated GIF: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post69360.html#69360

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For Christophe

Hello everybody
To answer you Brollian I work there notably on the concept evoked by Capt_Maloche.
See HERE
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:D
Yes i can hear you Remundo, but the comparison with a spring is not adapted to the representation of magnetic circuits

There are three elements in the system that I am describing; I made a GIF on "magnetic motors of all kinds" with 2 of these elements and I made the actual model: the disc of 11 screens on a ring of 12 Néodyn magnets turns "almost" as freely as without magnets , it's a rather successful first step .

Quartz also produced an "inverse" version and very interesting highlighting the result of this first study and showing that a screen tour generated 11 rotations of the resulting magnetic field (link in his post above)

The screen or the material (call it what you want) responsible for deflecting the "field lines" of a permanent magnet is necessarily "magnetic, therefore is part of the magnetic circuit of the permanent magnet and is influenced by it; there is at least as much "work" at the input in the circuit as at the output, plus the iron losses, Foucault ... that's a given

With this certainty verified by experience (allow the variation of the magnetic field of a permanent magnet without effort), how to exploit the resulting field?

Because to use a permanent magnet (the 3rd element) like rotor amounts in effect, as you say it in your last message, and because of "the parietal acceleration" (to accumulate the magnetic fluxes), to double the efforts of symmetry.
It is therefore necessary to use a "neutral" or "inactive" but magnetic material as the rotor, metal what.

The bulk of the work consists in studying the deviation of the field lines in the right places, in short if an assembly were to "work", it would only be with this type of trick.

Admittedly, I know that it is "theoretically" impossible, but I will search until this "truth" will not seem obvious to me and will not blow me in the face , which in one case as in the other, whatever the outcome, can not delay.

The assembly that carried out Quartz is the exact representation of this

the gif I told you about above

As you can see, these are the first 2 elements of a set of 3 pieces responsible for demonstrating that it is possible to generate a residual phase shifting phase shifted, i.e. in this case 1 screen turn for 11 rotations of the magnetic field

The model of Quartz highlights what I had been looking for to limit the eddy currents and generate the auto-compensation of the screen, the surprise was that the effect was reversible

On the model presented in the video, it is obviously not a magnetic motor, since it misses the rotor !!
I haven't studied it yet, see my post a little higher

come on, I don't hold it against you, apparently there aren't many people following.

[quartz]

Hello everybody

To answer you Brollian, and to clarify a certain number of points,
What you see on the videos is a study model.
The first objective being to put into practice the theory of Capt_Maloche.
This has therefore been successfully done, and we are going one box further, changing the direction of rotation of the rotor with respect to the switch.
Lessons have been learned, in order to make a next more successful model.
As Cap said, what we need to get urgently is the lowest possible braking on the switch.
This is the state of the art.

The research and development approach is the same as everywhere else.
We evaluate the strategic points and we test them then once resolved, we move on.

The demo model on the videos would be an engine if the switch that I turn by hand,
was mechanically linked to the rotor with a slight angular phase shift and the appropriate mechanical ratio.

A + + +

[Capt_Maloche]

Do I have to comment on the animated gif?

You can see in green movement of movement of the 11 "screens" on the axis of a "fixed disc in blue composed of 12 permanent magnets

You can see that one turn of the screens corresponds to 11 rotations of the resulting rotating field in blue; for those who have not seen it, fix your gaze in the center of the animation and focus on the magnets (in blue on the animation)

is that clearer?

1) the auto compensation of the screens has been verified
2) the rotating field has been observed

don't you mind?


of course, all this has nothing to do with Minato motors, which in no case can work, since they are based on direct actions of magnets to magnets

[quartz]

Lets fall Capt_Maloche, it's not only here that it gets stuck,
I talked about it elsewhere it's the same, on 30 quality speakers,
Only one hit !!!!

Who knows.

[Remundo]

Hi Quartz and Capt_Maloche,

Me, I want to remain open ... But there I do not have too much time ... A priori it is not an engine. And it is not because the field is rotating that it is driving. Just like a mechanical wheel!

But I admit that I may not have understood everything.

See you soon with all my encouragement.

[Capt_Maloche]

AH, happy to read you Remundo , don't mind, and promise to come back to read us as soon as you have time

All the same, concedes that if the generation of a rotating field is allowed from a mechanical assembly which absorbs little work, there is reason to be interested. of course remains to quantify this rotating field

[Remundo]

Well, I'm back from doing my phsyics classes ...

If there is little work to do, it is because the rotating field is turning in a vacuum, without interaction with another device that could slow it down.

The comparison with a mechanical wheel on perfect bearing seems good. It does not take much energy for it to run without stopping. But as soon as you join her, she slows down.

If your spinning field interacts with something else, it creates induced currents tending to slow down the motor cause, this is called the Lenz's law et it is intrinsically contained in the Maxwell Faraday equation, or the resulting Faraday's law.

From a mechanical point of view, the induced currents act via the Laplace forces and the Joule effect as brakes. When the currents are disordered, it becomes Joule effect only. Mechanical energy is degraded to heat.

All this to say that if you find a REAL motor with this system (supply of energy greater than what is injected into it), which I envision because I am open, you suddenly reverse the equation of Maxwell Faraday AND the first principle of thermodynamics. Unlikely anyway. But do you ever know?

So it would be a real revolution.

Now you can very well get a power converter. There, everything is OK.

It must be that I am better immersed in your achievements because they are interesting. I promise you !!

See you soon.

AH, happy to read you Remundo , don't mind, and promise to come back to read us as soon as you have time

All the same, concedes that if the generation of a rotating field is allowed from a mechanical assembly which absorbs little work, there is reason to be interested. of course remains to quantify this rotating field

[Christophe]

Without going into details, I come back to the idea of magnetic coupler with a question probably a little stupid for some: the magnetization would not tend to weaken over time when the magnet is subject to permanent fields?

If the answer is no, I think further study of the idea may be of interest. If I understood correctly (sorry I really did not follow this "file" bcp) that would allow a coupling with variable transmitted torque?

What about creating a new topic to present your 1er results? Because in the subject magnetic motor is too lost

ps: for quartz and maloche, if the idea does not exist (check on www.espacenet.ch ), I strongly suggest that you at least put a SUN envelope (15 € valid for 10 years) to show that you were the 1st because it would be a little easy for clever little ones (like renault, PSA who pass every day on econo ...) to try to patent this thing to your issue ... Because if it does not exist and it is technologically viable (no loss of magnetization for example), there is a real potential for development: you would have invented the gear without strongly with integrated gearbox

[Capt_Maloche]

No, magnets are only subject to their own magnetic fields

For the envelope, why not? but there already seems to me all kinds of magnetic clutches, like the air conditioning of cars I think

It is true that the concept of magnetic reducer on the other hand is new, a reducer without gears with a slip threshold, a security what

I just looked in espacenet, there is nothing on reducers