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by Capt_Maloche » 05/02/08, 16:58

Hello Remundo, Hi crispus, Hi Cuicui and hi others :D

Dis crispus I personally tried 4 models with AVEC without other results than increasing the consumption of my wife's twingo to 9l / 100! and you know why? because the twingo version 1 does not manage the air flow, anyway I reduced the consumption of this car by deceiving the air temperature sensor.

Many believe that the AVEC is a simple pressure drop on the air circuit, and that because of the computers, this reduction in air intake is necessarily accompanied by a reduction in fuel consumption and a engine speed limitation under load.

Besides, users say it themselves, they can no longer reach the speeds of yesteryear, but as long as the economy is there : Cheesy:

it is actually "down sizing"

come on, prove us wrong :D you must have a post of your achievements on the subject
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by Remundo » 05/02/08, 17:58

Hi Tagor!

Thanks for your link

"Unlike a transformer, the Duplicator is connected in a series with the load. The Duplicator harnesses the changing magnetic flux of the passing current to generate additional current into an independent circuit. Electron drift is comprised of electromotive force in random directions. The Duplicator's inductive line of force simply navigates a portion of this drift into a selected direction, thus, generating an electric current, preferably described as duplicated current. Duplication requires no energy transfer or energy depletion, therefore, there is no electrical energy lost within the main circuit. "

Me, I know a guy, with a soap and a rotating magnet, he makes a quadruple of the quantum energy of the magnetic vacuum in amorphous vorrtex ... : Lol:

Yep, everything is based on the same principle as the link you gave me. Random cut flows that quadruple the input energy without additional needs. :P

Sorry ... I want to laugh tonight, I have 6 hours of lessons in my legs, it makes me snap my neurons ...

Eternal skeptic, for sure on this type of article ... as you will understand :D

See you soon !
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by Remundo » 05/02/08, 18:11

Hi Crispus!

So like that you exorcise me : Lol: vade retro scientifcus satanas :!:

You know, I'm open too ... and as a physicist, I refer to experiments with scientific conclusions ... it's not because there is light in water that we have the Surunity ... especially when you balance 400V and 20 Amps with 2 electrodes spaced 3 mm apart ... Because this is the kind of nonsense that I read every time someone tells me about it ...

Crispus wrote:Unfortunately, the "scientists" questioned about the Pantone reactor consider it with contempt on a purely thermodynamic level (Carnot inside), and miss out on a precious subject of experiments. Suddenly it is do-it-yourselfers like us, more preoccupied with the future of humanity than with sterile research on "the front big bang" who struggle with the study on a low budget.

well you know, Carnot is the "inquirer" of service on thermodynamic yields. And unfortunately, for 200 years no experience has invalidated his theory. Much worse, his "hands-on" predictions (he saw heat rolling down the slopes with the existence of a floor, absolute zero) have all been found by more advanced theories of statistical thermodynamics.

I'm going to think about your thought experience, but I don't see how it can invalidate the conservation of energy or charge ...

On the Pantone, it's not impossible that consumption will drop, but power too in my humble opinion ...

Our science uses models which are satisfactory in most cases. But if the experience puts theory at odds, the researcher's duty is to review his copy, not to sit on his "titles of nobility", as is unfortunately too much the case today ...


Every good scientist applies this to the letter. This is how we gradually went from Earth to the center of the Universe, followed by the vision in the solar system, then validated by Newton and Galileo, then with Einstein with special relativity, and now general relativity ...

I wish the Pantone the same "course".

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by jonule » 06/02/08, 11:29

Say crispus I personally tried 4 models with AVEC without other results than increasing the consumption of my wife's twingo to 9l / 100! and you know why? because the twingo version 1 does not manage the air flow, anyway I reduced the consumption of this car by deceiving the air temperature sensor.

yes it is part of the game of car manufacturers, you have to know how to deceive the probes, what the tunning pros know very well how to do :D

So remundo, you definitely don't believe in injecting water to improve combustion, as well as reforming?

did you know that the locomotive drivers used water to boost the loco, as well as the potters for that matter?
do you think it's steaming water (how could a scientist like you believe that? -) or hydrogen?
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by crispus » 06/02/08, 12:26

Hi Remundo,

As you pointed out the 2nd principle of thermodynamics was born from the simple observation that no known system "produces energy" (do not take it to the 1st degree, it is exhausting) by cooling. But this is only an axiom. And since nature never reads scientific publications, a surprise is always possible. With age you will become less categorical. If you have time, go see a seeker who will show you the way to humility:
http://perso.orange.fr/michel.hubin/index.htm#index
Nothing but its preamble on "the law of Tartempion", deserves the turning ... : Lol:

Finally to come back to Meyer and approach it with a less critical eye, I give you to meditate on a quote attributed to Thomas Bearden: "If our (electromagnetic) systems are not overunitary, it is because we have done everything to that they cannot become it ".
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Dis crispus I personally tried 4 models with AVEC without other results than increasing the consumption of my wife's twingo to 9l / 100

I followed your setbacks and I admit that I did not understand what happened to you, probe problem, leaking injector, too much pressure upstream of the injector (bad calibration of the valve)?

Last question, have you noticed an additional couple? If it is not you can throw your VSLA, it only brings faults.

The Twingo 1 has a piezoelectric vacuum sensor, which allows the computer to estimate the flow from the speed and the throttle position. Of course the vortex disrupts the measurement ... But the calculo ended up adapting over the km, especially since it is the lambda probe that always has the last word ...

You can read again what I put on the AVEC6. I could only make 2 reliable consumption readings after mounting the AVEC, and since my wife never notes its full ... : Evil: By cons for my 2 diesel (AVEC4 and 7), I have to save a few quintals of CO2 since 2006 ... : Mrgreen:

I tested a WITH after the butterfly and one above (tin can), the first gave the best results. The consumption which was never less than 7 l / 100 before assembly (rather 8,5 l / 100) approached 6 to 6,5 after, and yet over courses of a few km. Normal, the torque is present from ~ 1200 rpm, no need to "restart the machine" at each slowdown. The overheating problems ceased when the computer finished learning (~ 100 km). The Twingo has since left home, after 20000 km without a hitch.

I would add that by piercing the candles (memorable debate : Lol:), starting in wet weather is easier. No impact on the cons by cons. Ditto for hard drive magnets.

it is actually "down sizing"
come on, prove us wrong :D

On a 205 gti A "crazy experimenter" compared the answers "WITH and without" using Powerdyn, it's still amazing:
http://vortex.francophone.free.fr/viewsujet.php?id=100
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Yes, the ECU sends less fuel than normal, but since it is also programmed to smooth the torque curve, the WITH "jumps" this "software lock", doing more with less fuel. I specify that his flowmeter is before the AVEC, therefore "no cheating" on the measurement. According to f4cvv, "it grows hard!".

Finally, nothing prevents manufacturers from manufacturing movable fins or shape memory, so as to free the passage of gas at high speed. The customer wins 100%, and the "downsizing" argument becomes a pipe dream.
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It's time to come back to Meyer & co. Why do we never get the advertised cops? I give you an explanation gleaned from my meetings:

To protect his discovery, it is customary for the inventor to file a patent. But the technological watch of the big boxes is on the lookout, and systematically replicates everything that seems worthy of interest as soon as its publication. See the misadventure of Michel Hubin cited above, which tells how he was blown his discovery by an American firm, in total disregard of the laws. An individual or a laboratory is not big enough to face: he will die in debt before the end of the procedure : Lol:

So it is customary for the inventor to reserve a capital point of the process, which prevents its optimization. This is called the "industrial secret" which guarantees an advance to the holder in the face of competition, sometimes even when the protection expires. The patent is a recipe, but without the cook's "knack" you can throw away your dish.

However:
1) a non-replicable patent brings the inventor into disrepute, who will be called a charlatan.
2) by silencing or disappearing the inventor, his invention remains unusable.
So yes, not to mention "conspiracy theory", if "we" do not hesitate to bomb civilians for oil, "we" will have no qualms about eliminating a hoarder in circles. The current economy is based on petrodependence, above all nothing should be changed ... : Evil:
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by Remundo » 06/02/08, 15:18

I meditate, Crispus, I meditate ...

The devil comes out of me ... :D

Quite agree with you on patents.

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by Capt_Maloche » 06/02/08, 23:28

Hi Crispus,

At this point there, on the curve of the 205, it is with and without turbo (no pun intended :D)

Let's admit, but what about turbos? and recent multi-valve petrol vehicles, direct injection ...

as you say, electronics handle it all ...

I want to try again on my wife's twingo, but still, since I lured the air temperature probe, the car is 6L / 100; come on, I can give you an argument, all my models were made of aluminum and not of steel

publishes next, the template of the models that are supposed to work to see

AH by the way, on the twingo V1 model, there is no air flow measurement, you had to have the V2
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by crispus » 07/02/08, 10:01

Hi Captain,

I made my first WITH stainless steel (old dishwasher), some aluminum models (putty cartridge) - now that you say, I have the impression that they are the least efficient? - then zinc for roofing (recuperated).

If you did not find the AVEC6 maybe you did not scroll the page AVEC4 until the end? I put the maximum of information live, even if I find my first impressions sometimes false.
By the way, yes, the Twingo V1 does have a vacuum sensor attached to the bulkhead behind the air filter. Perhaps your AVEC has blocked the air intake opening? I did not see where he was ...
If you are too lazy to restart the throttle body, I recommend the tin can attached to the top. It also works ...

Concerning recent vehicles it is very uncertain, the multiplication of plastic conduits and convoluted resonators harms the vortex. I also suspect some manufacturers are already using a tourbillonary intake (VAG TDI) as there is little or no improvement. And the more recent it is, the more owners hesitate to "lose their manufacturer's warranty". For my part, I was able to mount a VSLA on an HDI (Expert) only once: interesting additional torque for times, on the other hand no consumer feedback as too often. My GE do not note their full :|

For more info I wrote a "beginners advice" file here:
http://vortex.francophone.free.fr/viewsujet.php?id=136

Wishing that "it works" for you too ...
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by crispus » 08/02/08, 10:47

Capt_Maloche wrote:NIET, NIET Tovarich!

It comes back to me, the vacuum sensor is a small black box attached to the chassis of the wiper motor. The technical review does not mention an unequipped model. My wife's was from 1995.
Without this sensor actually, the AVEC must not bring any savings. This means that the calculo estimates the flow from:
- the scheme,
- the position of the butterfly
- the air temperature (also present on mine)
But in this case the depression is estimated from an abacus, and if the AVEC tends to increase it ...

Perhaps by adding a resistance to the throttle potentiometer, it would be possible to take into account the pressure drop by the computer :?:
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by Capt_Maloche » 08/02/08, 16:25

Yes, I thought about it, but what is the "resistance curve of the potentiometer? You will tell me, just measure it

I suppose it is logarithmic, that complicates the problem a little

But you're right, in the case of this car, there is more than that to do, and I was surprised to see that with the screws of the deposited fuel and bringing air under the butterfly the engine was racing at 3000 rpm while the throttle was closed: so wasted fuel

Come on, I'm doing this this weekend to see :D
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