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by Projéthée » 12/03/10, 10:01

Bernardd, the "pursuit" as you understood it well is only relative. This is the whole point of this mechanic, which in addition also represents in my eyes a certain form of art.

Elephant, if you tell me which chapter you picked up I would be happy to explain the obscure point (s) further. I post on a forum so that the information is accessible (and comprehensible) to a maximum of people.
This is all the more crucial as this so-called “satellite roberval” mechanism lends itself to many other applications. If the magnetic function makes it possible to get an idea of ​​it, nothing prevents to replace the couples of magnets by any other combination of elements which generates a force. Closed chamber + piston + heat for example, or a system of weights to exploit kinetic energy. I could not myself make an exhaustive list because it would be long
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by bernardd » 12/03/10, 10:52

Have you started any tests? A realization ?
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by Projéthée » 12/03/10, 13:36

No test or realization for the moment and you can believe that it makes me mad.
What I know for sure:
__ possibility of obtaining a couple with a simple assembly Wheel / motor magnet facing a magnet magnet pseudo stationary
(with two magnets and a CD, replication is easy and didactic)
__ possibility of obtaining a rotation of the main rotor by applying a torque to at least one of the external gears of a simple roberval system (my 1st animation)
__ possibility of transmitting the torque from a satellite to the external gear of the roberval which is linked to it (my 2nd animation)

What my means do not allow me (alas) to prove:
__ the consistency of the GLOBAL operation of the machine.
It is all and all at the same time it is enormous.
So 2 solutions to get out of this uncertainty:
a) a simulation, which requires not only having the right software and spending a certain amount of time there, but above all mastering it to perfection given the complexity of the machine.
b) a concrete achievement, for the moment totally beyond my means (materials, machines, etc ...). So that I could easily carry out this task in a relatively short time if these means were at my disposal.
That's why I make ends meet This is why also I ask those who have the competence (and I know that there are some who go through and participate in this forum) to take a 5 minute look at the thing in order to validate or at least invalidate the mechanical functioning of this concept. And all the more so since I specify (even if it means repeating myself) that this mechanism lends itself to a fairly substantial number of uses by transforming a force into a rotary movement. in a mechanically closed system. It is new enough to deserve some attention.
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by bernardd » 12/03/10, 14:16

Projetheus wrote:So 2 solutions to get out of this uncertainty:
a) a simulation, which requires not only having the right software and spending a certain amount of time there, but above all mastering it to perfection given the complexity of the machine.


Did you find such a simulator? Anyone have any ideas?

I just saw this:
http://pbrn.blogspot.com/2009/01/script ... ntees.html

But blender, I have the feeling (without certainty) that it is stocky to implement ...


Projetheus wrote:b) a concrete achievement, for the moment totally beyond my means (materials, machines, etc ...). So that I could easily carry out this task in a relatively short time if these means were at my disposal.


The means are looking for :-)

Have you looked for the use of standard gear wheels? Imagined a plan with standard cogwheels?
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by Projéthée » 12/03/10, 17:20

Thank you Bernardd for the link. I'm going to watch this but if it is really trapped and I have to devote time which I do not have ...
Otherwise, yes of course my mechanic can be built with standard gears. But ask the price and you will quickly understand how it is dissuasive at my level.
And then before investing I would like to have some positive opinions other than mine. The purpose of a forum like this it is also to avoid foolishly taking a rake because we forgot to take into account this or that. So I advance on other tricks hoping to have news of sizes as Remundo, or Pascal for example (non exhaustive list ... not to type, not to type)
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by bernardd » 12/03/10, 22:16

Projetheus wrote:Otherwise, yes of course my mechanic can be built with standard gears. But ask the price and you will quickly understand how it is dissuasive at my level.


If you gave us the types of gears that you identified and the prices that you found, we would go faster :-)

Pending notices 8)
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by Projéthée » 13/03/10, 11:47

Bernardd, your enthusiasm warms my heart. But I would not put the cart before the horse. To draw valid lessons from a model, it must meet criteria that for the moment I cannot implement such as:
__ machining precision
__ availability and suitable choice of materials
__ I'm going and the best
Add to this that I have so far only MY certainty that this mechanism is functional and that it seems very insufficient compared to the investment required.
I publish for at least 2 reasons:
1) issue proof of prior art
2) receive notices
I sometimes see people who know nothing about it giving opinions on totally crazy things. I hope to get on this forum exactly the opposite.
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by bernardd » 13/03/10, 14:13

As you wish.

I have good 3D visualization, but this is too complicated for me to see the dynamics, to give you an opinion: I need a model.

But it does not matter if it is not adjusted: it is just a model ...
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by Projéthée » 13/03/10, 14:23

Mentally, even I find it difficult to visualize all the interactions.
Maybe I'm going to split up a model, just to show the audience the cutscene and what we can hope to get out of it.
There are at Conrad sets of gears suitable for a "visual" model and not too expensive. I'm thinking about it.
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by gegyx » 13/03/10, 15:29

Projetheus wrote: Maybe I'll split up a model ...
I'm thinking about it.
Obviously, a model is a step forward compared to the simulation software.
Even if it's not a hundredth, we feel a tendency or not to movement.

Think of my MP, if you make a model and if it suits you ...
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