magnetic motors

[elephant]

Good luck ! Come back when you have tried it! meanwhile search on youtube: you will at least see what you shouldn't try anymore!

[chrisleblay]

As the moderator does not intervene, I intervene.
Daniel Gueguan, elephant deserves to be put out forum for a little while.magnetic motor that works: there is STEORN, you can follow etimple, larsko, tamarop (forum conspirovniscience) on youtube which have good replications.
Ossi callagan hard overunity.
The effect is well explained by jean louis Naudin for the steorn generator (see his site), but naudin is a good communicator who in my opinion will not mount a generator.
This steorn system can be improved if the magnets are placed at a certain angle towards the magnetic torus (increase in magnetic force) with a larger disc (more inertia).
it is on unit but requires some electronics.
Mylow (youtube) (howard johnson) had succeeded but was disqualified him it was the bravest and the most serious.

So,
last point what is thermodynamics? = 1 kg of oil will produce no more energy than 1 kg of oil.
1 kg magnet will produce what with thermal theory? nothing because a magnet is not thermal, another theory for that.

Good luck Daniel,
chris

[elephant]

I am steorn and JLN DAILY!

The Orbo steorn is not a magnetic motor but a very special electric motor, nothing more and still far from the ambitions of Steorn which makes .... the world with its ads and its demos failed.

If you want to know more, ask Quartz!

[coucou789456]

Good evening

the discussions get carried away a little quickly, it is not good to take the fly at the first criticism which falls. if it does not satisfy you, ignore it, but please, do not clutter the forum of criticisms towards those which answer you in all honesty and with their usual frankness.

if I myself had to complain about those who criticize what I say, I would clutter some subjects of post of dissatisfaction ... I stopped doing it because tell yourself that there are some who are indecrottable by critics, even if you pretend to be fools ... and who does not hesitate to shout it loud and clear, without any tact .... the art and the way of making enemies! elephant is not one of those, you just have to browse the forum by following his interventions to realize this.

the others, I simply ignore them, I analyze their response and if it suits me, I take note, but without showing my approval. on the other hand towards those whom I appreciate, I do not hide at all and will show them at least the respect which is due to them!

jeff

[quartz]

Hello everybody

The subject tends to unleash passions, there is nothing to do.
I am an active researcher in the field, both through the regular consultation of everyone who touches on the subject,
but also by making models of all kinds.
To date I have never objectively seen a machine run on a unit.
I do not say that it is impossible, simply to today the factual evidence is essential.
I am in contact with a developer who says that he operated a magnetic motor completely independently.
We met to talk about it, the man is not a wacky man.
I haven't personally seen the engine,
I contacted him following a long and careful investigation following rumors recovered here and there.
His machine has been seen by some manufacturers of electric cars.
The leaks came from a closed-door demo during the auto show 4 years ago if I remember correctly.
He is currently designing a version whose estimated power will be 500 Watts, I saw the photos of the production, the equipment is very real.
For the moment this is the only track that looks like something really serious, both with regard to the technical elements advanced by the designer, but also by the stature of the man.
For example, he does not hesitate to say that he still has a problem to solve which is the loss of magnetization of these magnets in the medium and long term.

Regarding the emulation around the Steorn Orbo system, it makes a lot of noise,
I am afraid that it will fall like a blast, The French replicators of the most serious and rigorous in their productions, are today incapable of running the engine, namely of self-feeding.

I have the frank conviction that over-unity is possible despite the great principles of the term that I respect,
we just have so much to discover, that to assert that it is not possible to trigger energetic phenomena that are self-sustaining, would be showing shameless arrogance.
That said, arrogance even at its height is a great human specialty.
Galileo in fact the costs at that time, Volta with its battery, did not laugh all along either, I pass you the details you probably know them too.

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[bernardd]

I have the frank conviction that over-unity is possible despite the great principles of the term that I respect,

No need to respect them, nature does it very well on its own, no need for us ;-)

In any case, in most systems, there is not energy creation but transfer / transformation: we are in COP> 1 mode, not in efficiency greater than 1.

we just have so much to discover, that to assert that it is not possible to trigger energetic phenomena that are self-sustaining, would be showing shameless arrogance.

And yes, lack of evidence is not proof of absence.

As for arrogance, you just have to know how to walk without paying attention to the barking ... Look also at Dyson.

Otherwise, the basic problem is that the explorers in these fields are either enthusiastic (often paranoid ...) and explorers, either scientifically minded and a bit home-minded ... So it's difficult to have both :-)

But in any case, they rarely do so transparently.

Keep us posted ... and in the field?

[elephant]

Quartz and cuckoo clock, thank you for your interventions.

Demagnetization is indeed one of the risks: remagnetizing is not so expensive in terms of energy, but you can imagine dismantling, reassembling and rebalancing a big "perendev-like" engine: gloomy and expensive horror.

[Projéthée]

As said Elephant, for many achievements the stumbling block is located in the point (s) of stop. Or how to complete a complete cycle without having to spend more energy than the system has provided.
Perhaps by taking the opposite view of the equation: "use of the energy supplied by the magnets" = "relative displacement of some magnets with respect to others"  "obligation to replace the magnets in the configuration of 'origin'. In other words, use this potential energy of attraction or repulsion with almost no relative movement.
The example below shows how one can draw a force between 2 magnets with a minimum of relative movement between them.

Let us assume that the above balance is in balance between the strength of the magnets and those of the small and the large spring. If we remove the small one we obtain a "pressing force" of the same magnitude as F1. And if we use this same force F1 we ​​return to a relative equilibrium without having moved the magnets. It is thus this way there that I followed.

The next step if you want a motor will be to transform this constant but above all "immobile" force into a rotational movement. It's not simple ... but not impossible either.
1 °) transform the force into a couple:

E is in free rotation on the axis fixed to the green upright, a magnet stuck to it, and opposite a magnet polarized in attraction stuck to a stator thus prints a couple on E.
2 °) transform a torque into rotation:
The animation below shows a roberval system, one of the interesting features of which is that the yellow gear describes a circle around the center of rotation without ever leaving its orthogonal position. Printing a torque to the yellow gear will allow it to initiate a "no-move" rotation.

We are getting closer to the goal but that is not it yet.
3 °) set up a system which can both transmit a torque to the yellow gear to initiate rotation AND always present the same face vis-à-vis the stator. There, it was more full-bodied but the animation below shows that a trick makes it possible to circumvent the apparent impossibility.

We are now starting to have a lot of conditions met.
A first draft gave this:



__ the main rotor R rotates around the green axis.
__ the gears P rotate in direction AH with respect to the rotor (therefore in absolute terms do not rotate on themselves but only around the green axis).
__ the gears E go around P clockwise (see their relative positions at the top and bottom).
__ the secondary rotors R 'and R' 'rotate in direction AH relative to the main rotor (see their relative positions at 90 °, and suddenly maintain their verticality while making the complete turn).
__ the gears E rotate clockwise with respect to the secondary rotors which carry them, which allows them to go around the stator while always presenting the same face to it.
__ the purple castors mounted on flexible blades replace the balancing spring from the start to avoid excessive tilting of the gears E.
Operation:
The stator induces on the gears E a clockwise rotation torque. After a very slight rotation (limited by the flexibility of the blade which carries the support wheel on the stator), the latter transfer the torque to which they are subjected on the gears P. By classic roberval function, this torque is transformed into rotation of the main rotor. CQFD.
So no more hard point, constant torque, and the possibility of placing a certain number of gears E around the stator.

I then solved the few collision and kinematics problems with this version which also incorporates a power control:



Have been added:
__ an intermediate disc D (in pink) which will support the axes of all the gears E 'which increase the overall power as well as the axes of all the reversing gears I' which separate them. In this way, all the motor torques that the stator generates on them add up and are retransmitted to the E's which activate the roberval function. It is delimited on the left part of the drawing by the dotted line marked D.
__ an axis G (mounted on a slide) around which the disk D rotates freely.
__ E is now split to avoid collisions.

__ The stator changes its name and is called magnetic flange since now it naturally rotates on the G axis to hold its magnets in front of the magnets / motor gears. Icing on the cake, the economy in terms of magnets; indeed, with this configuration one obtains: a couple of magnet = 1 active force (without any other counter force than friction, as much to say almost nothing).

__ the driving gears now carry the magnets in a direction of attractive force.
__ The 2 double arrows symbolize springs and right next to it there is a screw to compress them more or less. When the axis G mounted on a slide moves to the right, this allows the gears E and E 'to take a few degrees of hourly heel, and vice versa.

Note that now the magnets are mounted on bearings inside the gears E and E 'in order to maintain in all circumstances a position // to that of the flange magnets.
In the event of a weak power demand, it will be necessary to screw to compress the springs in order to prevent the attraction forces of the magnets from approaching them up to the stop with which care has been taken to provide the system, blocking the approximation of the magnets just before contact.
On the contrary, in the event of a strong demand for power, it will be necessary to unscrew to let the attractive forces of the magnets express themselves, the load now playing the same role as the springs previously compressed.
We can therefore consider a speed monitoring system which will give the order to a stepper motor to turn the screw in one direction or the other depending on the load and the increase / decrease of the speed. of rotation constantly restoring balance.
What do the pros think?

[bernardd]

Difficult for me to say that it will turn, or even that it will not turn ...

Although alas, in the stories of magnets chasing other magnets, the race has never started in a shown way.

But it is anyway a very beautiful construction, and it will make a very beautiful work of art!

Fixed or mobile? that's the question...

I understand the idea that the magnet "pulls" the small wheel by making it turn, attracted "in rotation" by the magnets of the "flange".

And the rotation of the small outer wheel causing the rotation of the whole, the "motor" magnet is always found at the same distance from the magnet of the "flange", and must start again indefinitely ...

Your username should be Sysyph, rather, right? We will call it the Sysyphus engine

In any case at my level, I don't see any impossibility of building to test.

[elephant]

I humbly admit that I didn't understand much ...