Electrolysis way Meyer or meyerisation

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by Bibiphoque » 08/10/08, 09:31

Hello,
This is interesting to say the least:
"The difference between Ravi's replication results and Dave's is that Ravi built a bigger cell and conducted a gas flow meter test. This gas flow meter test proved with out any doubt that he had some thing closely related to Meyer's original process. Meyer's results reportedly showed an out put which was up to 1700% above Faradays law of electrolysis. Thus it is only logical to assume that the pulsed DC resonant systems are not conventional electrolysis. "
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by coucou789456 » 08/10/08, 11:56

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I try to interpret English which I know little, but when I could get some sense from it.

Certainly, when faraday deduced its formulas, the joule effect was the main consumer of current in its experiments.

in the meyer process (among others which also use a slightly equivalent principle), the joule effect is absent because no direct current flows between the electrodes, hence the undermining of faraday's law.

but that, few people are ready to admit. most, I should say even the vast majority of scientists and / or maths refute this fact and totally deny that it is possible to do this electrolysis in a different way than that which they learned in the course of chemistry ...

meyer is often called a crook, a charlatan, a marginal, and so on ...

Unfortunately, in life, there are a number of people who say they have managed to produce a lot of gas with little energy, but many are mystifiers who completely distort the rest of the real inventors who got there!

as I said in another subject, some scientists apply the formulas they have learned, with blinkers, without trying to understand, without even trying to find out if their formula can actually apply to the principle described, and woe to you if you fall in front of them, they are ready to prove to you that you are wrong, because THEY hold the truth!

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by coucou789456 » 08/10/08, 12:12

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by coucou789456 » 08/10/08, 15:02

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by gilgamesh » 08/10/08, 20:15

To return to the subject I will offer a link but in English:

http://www.web-space.tv/free-energy/P7.PDF
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by tome » 08/10/08, 21:08

proven fact: there is no joule effect in the electrolysis of meyer because no current between the electrodes! (the cathode is electrically isolated) but I do not know in detail the law of faraday [/ quote]

No current is much to say!
There is consumption as long as there is a value in resistance, even at 2 or 3 Mohms in water there is consumption!
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by coucou789456 » 08/10/08, 21:34

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precision for Tom, in Meyer's electrolysis, the cathode is electrically isolated, so the resistance is not 1 or 2 megohm but much higher
on the other hand it passes an alternating current, but very limited. only the voltage across the cell is high (resonance of the coil and cell assembly in series)

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by tome » 08/10/08, 22:48

I am ok on some points, but not all.
Do not confuse alternating current and oscillating.
With Mr Meyer it is continuous oscillating at a frequency (x)
I also think that the two-wire choke mounted on ferrite has the particularity of inhibiting the current I and creates a particular form of resonance.
The signal is cut so as to "gradually increase the voltage" to the limit of the breakdown of the insulation.
I am working (as an amateur) on a forum that some econologists know well!

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by coucou789456 » 08/10/08, 23:21

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sorry for the alternative term, this is a slip I made

the coil, by its value in henry, and the cell by its capacity in farads, form a series LC resonant circuit, there is no secret inside: it is a so-called "band pass" circuit, circuit known in HF electronics, as opposed to parallel LC trap circuits!

so why continuous oscillating, because of the diode which rectifies an alternation. the period during which there is no oscillation serves to discharge the cell because it behaves like an electrochemical capacitor. letting the voltage rise until the breakdown is useless, except to create a passage of direct current in the water, which modifies the capacity of the cell, as well as the resonant frequency. which will result in the end in the production.

the production of gas occurs during the "charge" of the cell, towards the end of the charge, that is to say a very short instant: overall approximately 1/10 of the time. on the other hand, a magnetic field produced at the right time influences the production, especially to limit it.

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