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by Gaston » 27/04/16, 11:48

raymon wrote:Unverifiable for large institutions as long as it does not test, but as it refuses to do, it is the cat that bites its tail. But that may change when they have sold a few 1 MW generators.
As long as Rossi persists in wanting to sell without buyers being able to test beforehand ...
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by raymon » 27/04/16, 12:34

As long as Rossi persists in wanting to sell without buyers being able to test beforehand ...

If I understood correctly, the 1Mw 350-day test would have been done with a potential customer who would buy 3.
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by raymon » 11/05/16, 13:50

Here the American army is interested in cold fusion:
http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/up ... nguage.pdf
This can only be a fake ... obviously found there:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/11/us ... committee/
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by Gaston » 11/05/16, 15:23

The original (complete) can be found there:
https://www.congress.gov/114/crpt/hrpt5 ... rpt537.pdf

It is not therefore a forgery, but the quoted passage (1 paragraph on more than 700 pages) which speaks about the LENR only says that it is necessary to make an inventory of fixtures of the international research on the subject.
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by raymon » 11/05/16, 15:54

It is not therefore a forgery, but the quoted passage (1 paragraph on more than 700 pages) which speaks about the LENR only says that it is necessary to make an inventory of fixtures of the international research on the subject.
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It's not bad for something that according to classical physics is impossible.
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by Obamot » 11/05/16, 15:59

No, not a false document, I confirm what Gaston says: authentic. Here the source drawn from the official site:
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS00/20160427/104832/BILLS-114-HR4909-W000795-Amdt-ETCEB1.pdf

Another document therefore, saying the same. Without commenting or drawing conclusions, I would add that there is a significant reservation:

Amendment to HR 4909 wrote:[...] if LENR works

In other words, a guy called "Jones" who brought this up in a briefing saying "if cold fusion works"Without making any reference, neither to a study, nor to scientists. For the moment it is rather vague? I do not see the slightest affirmation, but the document is 100% TRUE.
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by raymon » 12/05/16, 13:49

This is advancing steadily, we can reasonably hope that within 30 years Pons and Fleischman will have the Nobel Prize in physics quite a bit for "chemists" ... posthumously. Fleischman is already dead.
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by Obamot » 12/05/16, 15:45

That's good, because I asked a chemist researcher at Batelle in his time ...
Oh, he hadn't told me that cold fusion was impossible ... But he had insisted on the fact that still there had to be totally antagonistic conditions to achieve it! Conditions which cannot be found in their natural state, precisely because of their antagonism.

1) it is not impossible but is it usable? Because it is not enough for it to work in laboratory conditions with I do not know what miracle formula, it must precisely meet the laws of physics / chemistry (he told me this again today: "chemistry remains chemistry")

2) what is wrongly called "cold fusion"? That I have said before, said and said again, is a term misused, which does not mean what they suggest: I have always said that (if indeed we we have arrived at the pre-industrial stage) we should rather call it a catalytic reaction (in the chemical sense of the term, I specify because the term suggests a purely atomic reaction - which it would not be - and even if there is chemistry in physics and vice versa). Which, apart from a one-off production of heat (once the catalysis has been reduced, nothing more happens ...), takes us completely away from the dream of a reactor pseudo-atomic domestic and providing energy in profusion for practically nothing. And in any case not in the sense or the term would suggest it (a kind of soft atomic energy, that neni) besides if so, would be asked the question of the "yield" which is not good if only for nuclear power in its "Hot" variation (<1) so I do not see how the " Cold "could suddenly surpass" Hot "and be" profitable ". In short, it is clear if the efficiency of a "Cold fusion" (if conditions reach a real and advanced state of development) would be almost impossible to obtain in terms of purely energy productivity at a level "competitive".

3) Otherwise we must understand what this term would suggest, that is to say the colossal forces of an atomic bomb domesticated in a pocket size of a sort of "urban boiler" ... If we had arrived at that we would be god? I mean by that it's a bit of a search for the holy grail this thing, the energy expended to manage / contain such a reaction would hardly be possible given the laws of physics / thermodynamics. To approach the aspect from the perspective of chemistry, the same: it would be necessary to obtain pressures such as energy expenditure to achieve this, would reduce to zero the possibility of obtaining a reactor at acceptable operating costs (and if so is that we get there, which is not close to being the case, I am not the only one to say it).

4) The only type of "cold fusion" that I know of is the manufacture of concrete, which releases radon ... In fact the concrete then becomes very hot (who has not seen a slab producing a release of steam?) but it stops there. Conclusion, Rossi skilfully surfs on all kinds of ambiguities, it is very clever of him, but it will never go beyond the stage of teasing (he is neither a chemist nor a physicist himself and we are constantly seeing a " postponed "unfulfilled promises, he also got his hand caught in the jam jar of an electrician who detected the deception of one of his" prototypes ": so for me - with all possible tolerance in the world - his case is folded ...)

In fact, the question excuses, you know what chemistry you Raymon?

I would end with that, why not bet on solar energy (and its storage), which is really totally free, clean and inexhaustible energy and which has been proven in ovens at> 2 ° C , without a promise never kept?
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by moinsdewatt » 12/05/16, 20:51

And in 2 years we will still have the same blah blah.
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by sen-no-sen » 12/05/16, 21:07

Why persist with cold fusion while hot is expected soon? :)
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