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Re: It's about Surunitaire!




by eclectron » 15/10/17, 10:07

sen-no-sen wrote:If unlimited energy were at our disposal it would change your way of life whether you like it or not, it was only observed period 1950 / 2000 to be convinced.
Your remark is subjective since you base your reasoning on the present moment, so if you lived in 2050 in the era of thermonuclear fusion you would certainly affirm the same thing ... outside an objective reasoning should not be based on a point of personal and temporary view but over a broad period of history.
What it appears is that we are dissipating much more energy than the biosphere can handle.


While there has been an exponential growth in global energy consumption since the post-war period, you will notice that in industrialized countries with a high standard of living, this consumption is stagnating.
Once you reach a certain standard of living, you do not consume more.
I maintain, if the energy I consume came from a personal generator, I would not change my level of energy consumption and my consumption would be even more virtuous: no nuclear waste no CO2.
I do not think I'm unique in having an awareness of the ecological impact ...

On the contrary, it is very important to refer to oneself, because the world is only the sum of small ones, which on the basic principle, survival, work all the same.
If you understand yourself, you understand the world.
Okay everyone is a little different, but on the surface only, basic patterns are immutable, determinisms as you say here. : Wink:

Let's talk about these determinisms, they have always been at work since the man is man. Man has always lived to the detriment of his environment.
How many animal species for sure, and plant? I do not know, were eradicated from the Earth thanks to us well before the industrial era, when we were still very little on this planet.

Certainly energy increases our standard of living and our power of nuisance on our biotope.
We are here, what are we doing? We shoot each other?
A bit of intelligence and awareness of the common good are missing, that we are well agreements learn, educate, go to that.
Once a level of comfort reaches everything stabilizes, consumption, demography etc ...
Is it sustainable for the planet?
Energetically surely not, here is a spine of the foot of exit thanks to the free energy, if it works of course, what remains to prove.
Regarding other resources, not sure that the standard of living in Europe is generalizable to the planet.
If the energy becomes abundant, nothing forbids to look for such missing metal in such asteroid.
Rest the pressure on the biotope, there is no need to play in the ..
Once a certain level reaches the pressure will no longer evolve.
Sustainable or not? I do not know, I never bothered exactly.
Finally, we still developed sewage treatment plants, desalination of seawater etc ... if the energy is abundant and intelligence is at work, it can be well.
What I hear is the concern is the climate because of carbon fossils: a problem solved by free energy, more than waiting for the CO2 to be absorbed by itself (or absorbed), or we could help it technologically thanks at abundant energy : Cheesy:

The degradation of agricultural land, scarcity of resources for fertilizers / pesticides?
Nothing prevents a virtuous agriculture. You know that it exists. only habits and financial interests are blocking.
energy is not the brake in this problematic.

In short an exit from the top, with the free energy is quite possible and desirable, rather than the return to the stone age for 7 or 9 Billion of human not even on this level of life is sustainable.
the pollution will be unmanageable without energy, the supply of clean water will be unmanageable without energy etc.

I want to say we have no choice and we must accept that we encroach on the biosphere to exist, we have always done.
The biosphere does not need us but if we have the power of transformation (the most positive and virtuous possible) thanks to the abundant energy and if we have the intelligence to preserve our cradle, preserve life, I prefer this issue to frugality and return to the Stone Age.
The standard of living of 1850, as in 1850 in Europe, is not even sustainable given the current demography.

The energy of the future will dictate our choices of life.Determinisms at work ... : Wink:

The question remains, does clean and abundant energy exist? Is it possible?

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by sen-no-sen » 15/10/17, 13:51

eclectron wrote:
While there has been an exponential growth in global energy consumption since the post-war period, you will notice that in industrialized countries with a high standard of living, this consumption is stagnating.
Once you reach a certain standard of living, you do not consume more.


I seem to have already addressed this issue elsewhere in the forum.
Stagnant growth (undulating plateau type) in OECD countries is related to the limitation of oil reserves, especially since the 2005 / 2008 period.
This limitation is therefore in no way linked to an "age of wisdom" but to a stagnation in supply. To this must be added the phenomenon of a downward trend in profit rates which leads to a certain number of internal contradictions which limit economic growth (structural unemployment, migratory flow, etc.).
Until proof to the contrary and I would be curious if you bring me factual elements to the contrary, there has never been a limit to the wealth of the well-to-do, we measure this given by the length of their yachts and the excess of "hyper-class" (some even go so far as to afford trips to the ISS).

If your consumption pattern is stagnant it is only because your income does not allow you to consume more, it has little to do with an "age of reason".
Purchasing power must be understood as the ability to dissipate energy in the context of an energy class struggle (a class consisting of a group of individuals dissipating a given amount of energy).

I maintain, if the energy I consume came from a personal generator, I would not change my level of energy consumption and my consumption would be even more virtuous: no nuclear waste no CO2.


The fact that you do not change your lifestyle if any shows that your point is based solely on your conception of the moment.
As already said above if you lived with a higher lifestyle you would certainly say the same thing, it is necessary to base one's lifestyle on a quantified assessment and not on a feeling.
A middle class Frenchman dissipates about 20X energy that a Congolese peasant ... it is understandable then that very well be a policy of sobriety effective.
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by moinsdewatt » 15/10/17, 14:50

What is the point of re-launching this stupid thread a second time?
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by eclectron » 15/10/17, 16:22

Actually, this discussion does not interest me either. Nothing to prove !

Well, I am "happy" to learn that I am the only one on Earth to have reduced my lifestyle voluntarily so as not to be a slave to capitalism * (as little as possible ...) and not to be assisted either.
The logic of capitalism going straight into the wall.

Just to point out that "you" have a closed vision on the possible, by pure conformism.
Regardless of everyone's vision, reality does not care about our vision and we will see what reality is preparing us for.
The reality is often more imaginative than simply extending the achievements of the day by limited minds (we all have a limited mind)
It will perhaps be much less gloomy than the "ambient" speech and we will all be happy about it.
The truth and humility of the day would be to say "we don't know". Who can predict the future with certainty?

The initial subject is free energy, Actinium89 exposes potential tracks, again unexplored by pure conformism.
In short, it lacks openness all that.
The openness does not prevent to be realistic on the assets of the moment t.
There is no contradiction in being realistic and open except for dead spirits.
Sorry but you annoy me a bit to be so b..s? it's not imaginative, actually.

the between ones is never good ...
Look for solutions rather than thinking you are right, thinking there is none.
You will feel better, the world will be better.
The example rather than the cynicism, finally you do as you want. : Wink:

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by gildas » 16/10/17, 09:01

eclectron wrote:
The question remains, does clean and abundant energy exist? Is it possible?

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Yes, it will seem:
http://www.powerjmd.com/index.html
(if it bothers to delete my message)

Amha, the principle of electricity generation come from the big copper coils of the electric motor ...
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by eclectron » 16/10/17, 14:04

Hello Gildas,
(Nice avatar! : Wink: )
Gildas wrote:Yes, it will seem:
http://www.powerjmd.com/index.html

Amha, the principle of electricity generation come from the big copper coils of the electric motor ...


In first analysis everything is well done, the site, the proto, he puts the means and gets involved.
Cult of secrecy that one can understand but that does not help to believe it.
On the other hand, the videos are 2 years old and it does not seem to lead at all => possibly a mytho
Finally it would need to be dug to be categorical and as the secret hovers, it can last a long time. : Wink:
To be continued...

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by sen-no-sen » 16/10/17, 15:39

From the pretty "fake teh"for galore ...
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by izentrop » 16/10/17, 21:11

sen-no-sen, it's not nice to make fun of it.

How is the generator rotating?
By an electric motor.
http://www.powerjmd.com/prototypes.html

This detail alone is enough to classify this device as a "hoax". There are electrical engineering lessons that get lost : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 16/10/17, 22:44

izentrop wrote:sen-no-sen, it's not nice to make fun of it.

How is the generator rotating?
By an electric motor.
http://www.powerjmd.com/prototypes.html

This detail alone is enough to classify this device as a "hoax". There are electrical engineering lessons that get lost : Mrgreen:


The best is here:

The engine is powered by what?


Here lies the concept that can not be unveiled!

: Lol:
http://www.powerjmd.com/prototypes.html
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by moinsdewatt » 18/10/17, 20:41

eclectron wrote:The initial subject is free energy, Actinium89 exposes potential tracks, again unexplored by pure conformism.
In short, it lacks openness all that.
The openness does not prevent to be realistic on the assets of the moment t.


But I am very open.

As long as we are there, find an army of ghosts, put them to pedal on some sort of bike connected to dynamos, and generate current.

Who is trying this track?

Personally, I do not know how to motivate the ghosts to do that for me, but maybe I know better the psychology of the ghosts.
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