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by aerialcastor » 07/06/12, 12:25

snapshoot wrote:1 / the simu is under Solidworks (and it's not m *** e this app there!).

2 / ask me your questions, I'm here (even if I already answered all the questions, contrary to what is said .... read the threads again !!!).


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Simulations are good. After a while I did extremely advanced building thermal simulations (bioclimatic design). I'm all for it.


But we must not lose sight of the fact that the software simulates the data that we have entered.

As you don't necessarily take in friction, the software does not take it into account.
Same you simulate a force while your system is supposed to market with a pressure (which will decrease with the displacement of a part as in an internal combustion engine), therefore the result is not in conformity with reality but with what you imposed on software.
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by Janic » 07/06/12, 12:52

indeed a software can give answers only in the direction in which they are directed. In all simple mechanical systems today, the big problem is the friction and sealing which increases when the pressure increases and therefore it is the dog that runs after the tail.
The only way out is to make a prototype that will account for reality and possible ways to compensate for its defects. but I share this view that the system, at best, will stay in balance, at worst will refuse to budge.
In addition, even realized, some systems lack realism like the Quasiturbine or the compressed air engine which can find a particular niche where the thermal is excluded, but with a very poor performance.
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by moinsdewatt » 07/06/12, 13:10

one more who wants to do something like this:

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by Janic » 07/06/12, 13:20

do not make fun, it is sometimes starting from a false idea, see wacky that it can lead to another more feasible idea.
If no one had insisted, there would be no plane today: think of flying 560 tonnes of scrap at 1000km / h when it was not even conceivable to exceed the speed of a galloping horse without risk serious pathologies.
If no one insists on cold fusion, surunity and other absurdities according to the current point of view, it is sure that it will not go very far.
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by Obamot » 07/06/12, 13:41

All that is very pretty and I approve.

Still should then:
- which our "new friend", Do not draw hasty conclusions in a sense that suit it. What he will inevitably do again.
- that - if he succeeds - he accepts the various analyzes which have been kindly suggested to him. And that he does not even intend to imagine that they could have been formulated. Until denying the very existence, it must be done!

Alas (for him, eh ...) alas, grim ignorance prevents you from opening your eyes.

She even pushes arrogance, did you know? : Lol:
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by snapshoot » 07/06/12, 14:35

aerialcastor wrote:
snapshoot wrote:1 / the simu is under Solidworks (and it's not m *** e this app there!).

2 / ask me your questions, I'm here (even if I already answered all the questions, contrary to what is said .... read the threads again !!!).


to +.


Simulations are good. After a while I did extremely advanced building thermal simulations (bioclimatic design). I'm all for it.


But we must not lose sight of the fact that the software simulates the data that we have entered.

As you don't necessarily take in friction, the software does not take it into account.
Same you simulate a force while your system is supposed to market with a pressure (which will decrease with the displacement of a part as in an internal combustion engine), therefore the result is not in conformity with reality but with what you imposed on software.



1 / I am in the process of taking charge of the friction and all the fuss behind (inertia of the gas too), in the calculation of the simulation.

2 / the force is the pressure, and vice versa ..... or rather, the pressure is a contact force per unit area, it is like saying; "how many Newtons per mm2 I have on this contact surface between these two bodies".
in short, F = P * s.

3 / and the pressure of our gas will not decrease, simply because:
a / there is no expansion of the volume in which the gas is trapped (v = const).

b / there is no leakage (or very little, and easily compensable) because it is fairly tight, and the pressure is not really enormous inside this hollow.
(N = const).

c / the temperature it is what it is, it does not have much influence on the pressure, a wide range of use goes to say (between t1 and t2).

therefore the pressure can remain constant and exploitable.
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by dedeleco » 07/06/12, 14:53

snapshoot wrote:1 / the simu is under Solidworks (and it's not m *** e this app there!).

2 / ask me your questions, I'm here (even if I already answered all the questions, contrary to what is said .... read the threads again !!!).


to +.


Having carried out programs for simulating physical systems, I note that snapshoot seems to completely ignore the content of this program, often very complex and essential to know its exact limits and risks of serious errors, by describing only dreams with the simulation :

1) physical models used, assumptions behind, in general physical equations differential or partial derivatives (much more complex) conserving energy!

2) mathematical methods, which can cause a surunity of energy, on equations, which at the beginning, conserve energy perfectly, as I already explained on econology for a similar post with simulation of a simple coupled oscillator, a total aberration !!
Even, it is difficult to conserve energy in a long-term dynamic simulation, because we take a finite step of iteration on the usual iteration equations, and in general they do not conserve energy without the slightest error and therefore small accumulated errors most often end up with false results, with not enough or too much energy (false on the energy in the simulation then, with misleading excess energy in the simulation), on starting equations which physically conserve energy perfectly.
Simulations are a whole mathematical area to be aware of, with great care, which if ignored, leads to beautiful errors.

So the simulation risks proving nothing, unless we check that its discretized equations conserve energy, and then the snapshoot system will remain at constant energy, on its momentum, if there is no dissipation or friction, put in the simulation software, and will lose its energy gradually with friction, to stop with certainty.

Simulation, if the software is well done, and well used, will never give perpetual motion.

Only real experiences can prove it, contradicting all of our current knowledge, but we are waiting for clear proof verifiable by all of us.

An almost inexhaustible form of energy is nuclear energy, discovered with radium which heated spontaneously, unceasingly, which contradicted all knowledge in 1900, and which was clarified by discovering its source of radioactive energy stored for 5 billion years !!

No simulation at the time could have proved the reality of nuclear power.

A simulation only uses what we already know and we discover nothing more, in particular, it is impossible not to conserve energy in a valid simulation which does not describe imaginary dreams as a result of errors.
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by snapshoot » 07/06/12, 16:49

dedeleco wrote:
snapshoot wrote:1 / the simu is under Solidworks (and it's not m *** e this app there!).

2 / ask me your questions, I'm here (even if I already answered all the questions, contrary to what is said .... read the threads again !!!).


to +.


Having carried out programs for simulating physical systems, I note that snapshoot seems to completely ignore the content of this program, often very complex and essential to know its exact limits and risks of serious errors, by describing only dreams with the simulation :

1) physical models used, assumptions behind, in general physical equations differential or partial derivatives (much more complex) conserving energy!

2) mathematical methods, which can cause a surunity of energy, on equations, which at the beginning, conserve energy perfectly, as I already explained on econology for a similar post with simulation of a simple coupled oscillator, a total aberration !!
Even, it is difficult to conserve energy in a long-term dynamic simulation, because we take a finite step of iteration on the usual iteration equations, and in general they do not conserve energy without the slightest error and therefore small accumulated errors most often end up with false results, with not enough or too much energy (false on the energy in the simulation then, with misleading excess energy in the simulation), on starting equations which physically conserve energy perfectly.
Simulations are a whole mathematical area to be aware of, with great care, which if ignored, leads to beautiful errors.

So the simulation risks proving nothing, unless we check that its discretized equations conserve energy, and then the snapshoot system will remain at constant energy, on its momentum, if there is no dissipation or friction, put in the simulation software, and will lose its energy gradually with friction, to stop with certainty.

Simulation, if the software is well done, and well used, will never give perpetual motion.

Only real experiences can prove it, contradicting all of our current knowledge, but we are waiting for clear proof verifiable by all of us.

An almost inexhaustible form of energy is nuclear energy, discovered with radium which heated spontaneously, unceasingly, which contradicted all knowledge in 1900, and which was clarified by discovering its source of radioactive energy stored for 5 billion years !!

No simulation at the time could have proved the reality of nuclear power.

A simulation only uses what we already know and we discover nothing more, in particular, it is impossible not to conserve energy in a valid simulation which does not describe imaginary dreams as a result of errors.


So, by and large, you're implying that I'm not smart enough to run a solidworks simulation properly, is that it?

Do you know me first to let go of such a judgment on my skills? or is it you (mister the programmer) who knows what finite elements and numerical analyzes are ...

a little modesty does not hurt, in short and to stay in the subject, ask me an objective question instead of making comments here and there to play it connoisseur or I do not know what .....

the message is for everyone!


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by snapshoot » 07/06/12, 16:54

A simulation only uses what we already know and we discover nothing more, in particular, it is impossible not to conserve energy in a simulation, valid which does not describe imaginary dreams as a result of 'errors.


ba voila, you got your answer by ..... yourself !!!
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by Obamot » 07/06/12, 17:00

Hihihihihihihih, finally this Snapster is funny.

snapshoot wrote:3 / and the pressure of our gas will not decrease, simply because:
a / there is no expansion of the volume in which the gas is trapped (v = const).

0 / He has just invented a sort of pout-pout without exhaust. Image

0 / ll keep repeating us the same sylogisms ... Image

0 / Then when you ask him the question that kills him he says to you: Image

"But who are you to talk to me in that tone?" Huh? We know each other? " Image

I hope we will leave it for us a bit before locking, because there I laughed a lot.

Good guys, show yourself of "good will" with him, it's not a white collar! Image

Aahahah, lol : Mrgreen: : Shock: : Cheesy: A double of Kistinie perhaps? Image
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