Pressure group

[cheval]

The Réversibilitée aurgmente as the square of deport, then we must take the horizontal defect in the agravant and remetre to the vertical, and it gets an engine. Testing it takes to develop, I would not say ...

[Gallic]

Dear fomumeurs.

Like Horse, my inscription on this forum is recent, although I have been looking at it for quite some time now, in search of a vision of science perhaps less restrained by prejudices or other conventions.

Nevertheless, I had to do something about it and got a bit boosted.

Indeed, it is in my opinion totally unnecessary to create a pressure group to defend the search of perpetual motion ... Just because it does not exist!
This famous perpetual motion holy grail of many inventors, is unfortunately in my opinion a utopia. However, it is much wiser to focus, not perpetual motion, but to the perpetual energy, which itself does exist.

Imagine for a moment the known universe as a whole. A while constantly expanding, but a whole. The laws of thermodynamics are clear: the energy of a closed system, no exchange with the outside, is constant. Therefore, the amount of energy contained in our finite universe can not in any way vary. Can we see in its continued expansion the result of the increased level of entropy? Wide problem, but that's another topic ...

On the other hand, it remains useful to wonder about one point. We speak of "excess return". However, the "spontaneous generation" of energy seems difficult to conceptualize, so much it is inadequate with modern science.

Nevertheless, I think it must question the scale of things is observed. Take the case of the so-called classical mechanics: whether it is enough to explain why Newton received an apple on her head, she does not in any way explain why the electrons revolve around atoms. Just because some forces are negligible at the scale of an apple, but not on the scale of an atom.

Notwithstanding, it becomes obvious that on the scale of our Universe, the excess return is impossible. That would amount to talking about spontaneous generation. However, thermodynamics is formal. Nevertheless, on a more "local" scale, this unit yield, or even superunity, becomes a reality, since this "gain" is offset by a "loss" elsewhere.

As a concrete example. Limit a universe to a kitchen. You make heat water for your pasta. The energy in your water, expressed mCp E = (Tf-T0) increases. So locally, you have increased the amount of energy, and therefore obtained a surunitaire performance. At the level of the kitchen, by cons, you actually burn gas to heat your water. The amount of energy has not changed a kopek.

Everything is matter of scale ...

But I think that everything is energy and everything is level. Express power, performance, makes sense only if one takes into account the scale at which it is observed.

Although disgruntled So tell me that movement and Energis are linked, and so if there ever energy, constantly moving there too, the fact remains that we should not be mistaken for combat. The movement, no. Energy and scale, yes.

Horse, I hope I have given you a different perspective on the issue.

I remain at your disposal, and of course to that of all forum.

[elephant]

Welcome Gallic friend.

I agree with you and I said. It is obvious that the surunitaire is a way to pump energy - possibly unknown - where it is, just as in a heat pump.

And there, as I said, it is important to do some police to unravel the skein of true and false, real and fake real fake.

And as recently stated Robert Wood, a former researcher at McDonnell-Douglas:

There may well be people right now in charge of using the same techniques to keep the public in the dark in other areas, I won't tell you which ones, but there are quite a few! "

I think this topic is in the "number"
Some organized detractors take as an argument that some "theorists" use the esoteric and the carabistouilles to discredit everything else. But I wouldn't be surprised if some detractors secretly feed the reasons for discredit.

[dedeleco]

Scientifically energy is based on experimental data from Galileo and Newton 400 years of accumulated work !!
Its definition has changed over time, becoming progressively more general and abstract over time in physics and mathematics.
Relativistic mechanics and a little earlier, electromagnetism gave it an equivalent mass.
Quantum mechanics has transformed frequency with Planck !!
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nergie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
The basic cause of the conservation of energy is the consequence of the fact that the laws of physics do not change over time !!

So look for a perpetual motion is identical to seek a new form of energy or otherwise seek if the god who manages this world is not fun to change the laws as he sees fit, every moment !!
But given the complexity and structure in the world ranging from microscopic to macroscopic throughout the universe, God has much to do to take care of trillions and trillions of particles, atoms, or living creatures, aliens , stars and galaxies, to the point that defined invariable laws for all and lets all grow and evolve without deal in a host of universe !!
Energy is essential for the help to do anything and it's like a bargaining chip that ensures balanced relations and avoid the explosion of our universe.
Also there is very little chance that the energy is not conserved.
Nuclear energy is not far from the perpetual movement, million times the energy of fuels !!
The sun will shine on total 9 billion years !!
Certainly we do not know all the laws of our universe, starting with what determines the mass of particles, requiring enormous energies to explore with Geneva as tunneling 40Km now !!
And that's nothing compared to the energies can our universe !!
In our current scale, it is possible that there are phenomena to be discovered, but it's like looking for a needle in a huge haystack, blind !!
So good luck !!
But without any preconceived ideas convincing experimental evidence has an almost zero probability to correspond to reality, as the science has shown us on 400ans !!

[Obamot]

Nevertheless, I had to do something about it and got a bit boosted.

Indeed, it is in my opinion totally unnecessary to create a pressure group to defend the search of perpetual motion ... Just because it does not exist!

Not enough to jump! ... I just had a slightly different approach ... that of leaving it to "Cheval" to see it for itself ... Here we are a little used to those who settle down in a paradigm based on illusions! Especially since faced with our "ignorance", it is sometimes better not to get involved since most of them know more than you ...

It does not aim to ruin their dreams ... especially if it is we who are wrong. But there is no harm to be pragmatic either.

[cheval]

Hello friend econologue flying high!

First I wish to inform the Gallic I see very clear in his game, you deceive no one here we are not fallen the last molecule H2O, I know perfectly well that you are an important member of a tanker Lobby and the fact that my group pressure from worsening discomfort your small business ...

Dedeleco, I agree with you, I am delighted to see how large quantum minds meet, indeed one god can not handle trillions and trillions of particles, atoms, beings live, aliens, stars and galaxies that is why there are many gods ...

Finally I will answer Obamot refocusing the subject, any time I pretended me more intelligent than another my only goal is to help free science, give them the means to defend against the lobbyist as I Gaulish did not invent anything and I do not invent these are not my claims and know that I will never realize anything by myself!

[elephant]

Basically, Horse, what do you propose concretely?

[dedeleco]

While waiting to pay for my housing tax le_gaulois said:

Therefore, the amount of energy contained in our finite universe can not in any way vary

is disagree with the observations by astronomers about stars and galaxies !!
Indeed the universe is expanding in acceleration, with strange energies as dark energy and dark matter !!
Moreover, the black holes that abound in our universe are disappearing off our universe gigantic masses and energies of entire galaxies with information problems and dramatic energy that grow to describe our universe as a hologram for some prestigious physicists !!
reading for specific facts:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_de_l%27Univers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_space
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/GtH_lectures.html
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/lectures/ ... enotes.pdf
So our expanding universe on a cosmic scale not retain as much energy as we can think simply !!
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/lectures/ ... _in_Cosmos
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/

So given what the cosmos gives us a glimpse of mysteries, was the right to dream and look for clues of strange phenomena on our scale everyday!
Electromagnetism and radioactivity started with almost nothing !!
Even quantum mechanics began with some facts that did not fit before 1900 in a set where everything seemed familiar!

[Obamot]

Finally I will answer Obamot refocusing the subject, any time I pretended me more intelligent than another my only goal is to help free science, give them the means to defend against the lobbyist as I Gaulish did not invent anything and I do not invent these are not my claims and know that I will never realize anything by myself!

No, there I was answering "Le_Gaulois important member of an Oil Lobby", not yours!

But if you insist ... I would like Elephant ... except that you have not responded previous page ... So do not get me wrong, but I will rest more questions
Because now if you do not take us for c ... huppa chups, at least I'm sure you can read

[cheval]

Hello,

Even if I appear new on the forum it's been a very long time since I look carefully at the topics that seem relevant to me.
But today the situation leads me to speak to everyone.
Everyone here has many reasons to believe that perpetual motion exists but that "researchers" refuse to recognize it out of sheer ideological blindness.
More monstrous pressure from oil and nuclear lobby give no chance to independent researchers!
This is why I would like to create a pressure group for the perpetual motion that is not run by money, but by passion and true science, a group that would defend each relevant project.
Remember, behind every invention there is a man

For what purpose would they do that?
And what you're thinking when you talk of perpetual motion, and why do you think it is and in what form?

Cuckoo Buddies!

In that purpose the Nuclear Lobby's oil and want to limit the work of independent researchers? In evidament economic purpose.
We wonder just how concretely consicte bin their actions and I will tell you:
in all public finance research projects
(CNRS, CEA, IFREM, SGEGUE, LCPC, BRGM, IRSN, IPEV exIFRTP, CINES CEMAGREF, INRA, IFREMER ...)
and all the organizations direct their research in the direction of their company.

In terms of perpetual motion is not an end in itself, the G2P must support all ideas more or less revolutionary to advance and why not solve the energy problems.
the G2P can therefore support: the perpetual energies, Pantone engines, the Chinese controlled telepathy, the vector-déséqilibre engines, etc.


And to respond concretely to the question concretely what art we do?

I will reply to reunite and form a group with a T-shaped hierarchy, not pyramidal, more clearly between 8 15 to head according empleur the group and all others are subordinate to the next ...

Hoping to have answered your questions