Search person 44 (Loire-Atlantique) for fab Pantone

[MugeNico]

Great! I sent you an MP. Well, maybe I'll ask you not to close the Topic, if anyone can prove to me that it really works without producing waste ...

this becomes interesting!

[nlc]

Search a little on the forum, there are thousands of messages about the pantone, and many specialists ...

But I think you have a train late, the pantone has been improved, the bubbler contains only water, nothing else.

[MugeNico]

OK thank you very much to both of you, it is true that all that I saw for the moment it dated not yesterday ...

[Superform]

and then, the forum that you quote is not exactly known for their objectivity ...
and then, an engineer, it's fine, but you will find on this forum engineers who will tell you the opposite of what your engineer said;)

"Don't believe what you are told: check it!" (Gibbs, NCIS )

[roms44]

I am on nantes too and I have an alternative to that.
watch the site

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www.water4gas.com

I made one on my self that I test.
contact me and come see
romu.garnier@yahoo.fr
02.40.25.49.83

[MugeNico]

Thank you very much for the page, perso I find it a little fishy how to present ...
But if you have tried that interest me, I will contact you shortly.

[vanpoulle.frederic@lapost]

17th ILLE & BIO show on October 10, 11 and 12, 2008

The 17 / 09 / 08

The Pantone process, a technology to save fuel: conference and internship in October

Pantone process made about him on various vehicles, it reduces fuel consumption to 20 30%, sometimes 40% on tractor. Pollution is reduced in larger proportions.
However, the process remains very empirical and craft: it lacks a real research and the involvement of manufacturers.
The Culture Bio association, organizer of the "Ille et Bio" show (Guichen, 35), has been presenting the technique for 5 years and has organized 3 training courses. Here are the next meetings.

October 11, round table "How to save and pollute less with Pantone reactors?"
To disseminate, to strengthen and improve this technique, Culture Bio is organizing a round table on October 11 at 14:30 p.m., as part of the "Ille et Bio" trade fair in Guichen (35). The challenges are to make this technology credible, to disseminate it now, to strengthen participatory research in the image of what is happening with free software, to interest public authorities and companies.
Roundtable participants are the 3
--Bernard Lecras, a retired mechanic, experimenter
- Pierre Yves Glorennec, engineer, manager of Avelvor Technologie, investigator
--Jacques Pochon, experimenter.
Jacques Pochon is an enthusiast who has been experimenting and showing since 2001. His approach, not always orthodox, brought him from the classic reactor in France - "the Gillier-Pantone" - to a simpler version, at a lower temperature. The potential seems more important, but it remains capricious.
Bernard Lecras has been experimenting for 3 years, and he has very precise results thanks to calibrated circuits. He arrives at 35% savings on his car. Here again the process has evolved a lot and he prefers to speak of "water doping".
Pierre Yves Glorennec works for energy saving for fishing, and with Bernard Lecras suits the process for sailors. He investigated vehicles Pantone installed in Brittany:
This shows the real successes but also failures that is important to draw conclusions.
The basic technique, called "Gillier pantone", will of course be presented.
Several vehicles equipped will be visible on the Ille et Bio salon.

24 and 25 October training to change his vehicle
Despite its empirical side, the Pantone technique has the advantage of being adaptable now on vehicles without electronic injection. 20% savings are often achieved.
This course will show the basic technique "Gillier-Pantone", two vehicles will be modified and the participants will leave with the elements of the reactor. They will be able, if they are a bit of a handyman, to install their own vehicle.
Both trainers are two retired farmers who have equipped several tractors and several cars and generators. The partnership with the center Léo Lagrange, farm harp, Rennes, provides access to professional equipment, including lifts.

Practical
--The Round Table held at the Guichen 11 October as part of the living room Ille et Bio (270 exhibitors, conferences 40, 4 € entrance, over three days. Detailed program on
www.culturebio.org
--for the course, registration is mandatory
Vanpoulle.frederic@laposte.net
Or at "Culture Bio, 43 rue de Fague, 35 580 Guichen" tel 02 99 52 02 90
35 euros, not including meals. Number of participants limited to 20.

[Other]

Hello

Jacques Pochon is an enthusiast who has been experimenting and showing since 2001. His approach, not always orthodox, brought him from the classic reactor in France - "the Gillier-Pantone" - to a simpler version, at a lower temperature. The potential seems more important, but it remains capricious.

Temperature lower in what size? the economy lies
has more than 30% or less?
the turbocharged engine is all faced with lower exhaust temperatures, unless significant modification is made to place the engine ahead of the turbo.
It is possible to have a good performance even in low load driving, 60kmh but difficult to control ..
(the capricious) is to get to have an exit temperature almost as high at 60kmh as 130kmh and to anticipate well before the reactor drowns ..

Andre

[vanpoulle.frederic@lapost]

In the Pochon variant, the bubbler targets 40 ° c,
the reactor is not in the muffler, and around the same temperature.
Jacque has a powerful flow meter (non-electronic) and sees in real time when the reactor is efficient or average or zero.Sa car is a mini lab, it measures the temperature of the bubbler (a bottle warmer), and near the reactor.
It reaches a conso of 5 liter / 100 on a R25, on route St BrieuC Toulouse, by motorway
and even 3 l / 100 recently. (according to him, one would have to count 10 liter with 100 without modifications)
The reactor is becoming more and more simple, without an outer shell.
Jacques also insists on the quality of the water, on the vortexes.
Jacques is not too connected internet ... so you have to see it live ...
With an electronic distance meter, and the fact that magnetic fields disturb the liquid crystal, he estimates by comparison a magnetic field size. Finally he recently bought a pollution measure in co (carbon monoxide), he claims a close correlation between the efficiency of the system and the decline of conso.

I say that it remains capricious, because several installations relatively close did not really work, except the pollution reduction of co, and that on the car of Jacques, that goes from average results (25 or 30%) to much more.

In any case, if many modified cars were equipped with these measuring instruments, and we manage to regroup, study ... that would make progress

[coucou789456]

Hello

be more precise in your description.

you say that the reactor is not in the pot, so it is elsewhere, make us a precise description of your installation.

jeff