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by PITMIX » 21/06/06, 11:16

Hello
Knowing how the reactor is inside allows us to compare if we observe the same thing.
But to understand what's going on is another story.
Here are the pictures of the interior of my reactor.
Not very clear, my device is not very sensitive.
On the images we observe that the steel parts are covered with a thin layer of oxidation (4000km of water doping). The non-rusting parts (copper, brass) are covered with a fine grayish layer like soot and the stainless steel rod as varnished. My old steel rod is not smooth like the stainless steel rod it is pigmented as passed by sanding from top to bottom.
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by Other » 21/06/06, 23:19

Hi Pit

the colors are similar to mine and probably for the other pantoneux, but what you show us is the color of the ducts or outlet of the reactor which is also a duct.
When I speak of reactor tube it is only the place where the rod is positioned in the reactor, withdraws the rod and places a light at one end although this method used in the factories of pipes for inspections does not really give the nature of the duct, the light is reflected throughout the duct, it takes special lighting to see well.

Andre
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by lusitano » 21/06/06, 23:54

Hello André,
First thank you for your availability, your answers always provided!
This reinforces what I think!
In my humble opinion two phenomena react jointly:
1st stream electrification (GAS)
2nd mini cracking at the end of the stem (how to check this and optimize it?).

thank you PIT for your photos !!
That said, I look forward to taking action myself !! .. soon on leave.
A ++ and good luck.

lusitano
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by PITMIX » 22/06/06, 00:18

Ok Andre
I see what you mean. And to show it on the forum I would have to cut the reactor tube in half.
Uncool : Mrgreen:
I'll see it another time : Lol:
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by laurent.delaon » 22/06/06, 17:45

Hello,

observing the Pitmix pieces have seen colors that are true. They were heated outside and they saw water vapor and air inside. This is a proven fact.

What makes it possible to say that there is cracking and electrification?

why wouldn't there be a mini nuclear tornado?
a magnetic effect polarizing molecules?
a chemical reaction with steel?
why wouldn't there be nothing at all?

What makes it possible to affirm this or the opposite?

I would like to have your enlightened opinions on these important questions ....


Thank you

Laurent
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by PITMIX » 22/06/06, 19:25

Hi laurent

From my observations and the little knowledge I have, I see that the gray / black color inside the tube is like that found in domestic heating tubes.
However, I used rain water.
Very hot water and oxygen in addition to high speed are very corrosive to steel. This gives rust and pigments on the steel tube and rod. On the stem the sanded appearance could be caused by a cavitation effect. Which wears out steel.
I think that another phenomenon must be able to be observed under certain conditions, it is the electrification of the reactor outlet tube.
For me all the traces that I found are synonymous with heat, water, air and speed. Nothing else.
But I'm in a bad position to answer you because I can't say that my reactor was working.
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by laurent.delaon » 22/06/06, 20:38

Hi Pitmix,

the questions are not intended for you in particular ...
you are right not to extrapolate your observations: air, water and heat. I agree in the state of your observations that is consistent. However cavitation I answer you no it will not!

And for your reactor I think it has worked as much as some others who have found results ...

Anyway you will get there (and I too will!)

In short do not extrapolate too quickly with the pantone reactor which is already the case from the start.
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by zac » 22/06/06, 21:43

laurent.delaon wrote:Hi Pitmix,

the questions are not intended for you in particular ...
you are right not to extrapolate your observations: air, water and heat. I agree in the state of your observations that is consistent. However cavitation I answer you no it will not!

And for your reactor I think it has worked as much as some others who have found results ...

Anyway you will get there (and I too will!)

In short do not extrapolate too quickly with the pantone reactor which is already the case from the start.


Hello

for pitmix
Seeing the photos, I'm almost sure that your reactor has been in operation; when and how and above all, how long is the mystery?
If it only works on a too low speed range you will not see anything on the consumption. Try to decrease your water consumption.

for laurent
I have the same traces as pitmix and I can tell you that if it's not cavitation it really looks like it.
although I have been digging my brain for hours on this subject I still haven't found any other explanation : Mrgreen:
@+

PS: give up guys guys you're not far from a result
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by Other » 23/06/06, 00:22

Hello
The whole question is
How long has the reactor run on a trip?
10% 30% or? I've said it many times, the reactor is not operational all the time and the results are only average.
we have several clues that tell us,
the examination of the rod and tubes tells us that the reactor has been operating, but it takes a 1/2 hour operational pipe to have all these colors on the rod, but after we do not know if it continues to work.
For the spikes on the stem, where do you notice there are the most? and is it by plates? or in circular rings? .

Andre
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by laurent.delaon » 23/06/06, 12:35

Hello everyone,

first you must not confuse cavitation and oxidation ...
then before knowing if it works 10% or 20 etc ...
you have to know if it just works.

So we have to standardize the way of recording consumption
see the post on this subject as everyone will do the same and will be able to analyze the results individually provided that there are several of course ....
and from there we will have the possibility to compare the results between different systems.
And all this will no longer be subjective (well, less subjective).
It doesn’t stop falsifying the results but it doesn’t allow you to take your desires for reality which will be a good thing.

I suppose that which speaks about it the most we already have statements to provide if not how do they do it? ....

There will be two groups, those who play the game and those who cannot but who will no longer be credible (necessarily).

it's simple.
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