Pantone on a CDI Vito 220

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by the joint » 25/04/07, 22:11

Hi Pitmix perso I do not really agree with Rolcopter, with a little training the welding (correct I hear because although the job of welder remains a trade full share) is easy.
You are probably right on your problem of adjustment. I solder with what is simplest, the arc welding (electrodes) without gas, and nothing and it does.
My technique (apart from the amperage setting) is to draw small circles with the end of my electrode to touch one after the other my 2 parts to be welded and it makes the cords correct.
Good luck
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by PITMIX » 25/04/07, 23:38

Thank you guys for the advice but all this is not learned by internet unfortunately.
Besides, for water doping it's the same.
The virtual is not about to replace learning in reality.
I dripped on the welding torch by being guided by my uncle, I do not speak of the solder that I practice regularly for my work.
The torch is good to learn the principle but it costs expensive gas and it takes time.
The arc welding is more convenient but I had no training.
I'm going to ask one of my uncles this will be simpler.
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by binbins4 » 26/04/07, 00:03

Hello,

As for the weight it is not heavier than the catalyst. For braszres just the GV is brazé for copper steel I use an old brazure date. I do not know its composition but around 700 °.
For stainless steel or copper must be silver for not having to heat too much the stainless steel, which oxidizes if one shows too much temperature, it will be missed.
Right now, I'm trying, unfortunately I do not do great distance with the vito.
Pitmix what gas do you use, for my case I use inert gas mig for steel or stainless steel 0,8mm wire. Nothing is easier to solder a wire just to adjust the Ampers and the advance of the wire.
Look at welder.com
I'll post a photo of the final cut soon.
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by PITMIX » 26/04/07, 06:38

I use either an oxy-acetylene torch for solders or a conventional arc welding machine.
No problem with solder copper / steel I use money.
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by binbins4 » 06/05/07, 00:26

Hello!
some problem of regage, no decrease of conso
for temperature output reactor between 140 à160 a degree above can not? I 1mm of iron I think pass 1,5 mm
Water conso 5dl to 100
for the turbo pressure sensor, the other day I opened too large hard power loss exceed the 60 kmh on 5km despite handing in normal configuration

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thank you again for having me pitmix edit photos the other day
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by camel1 » 06/05/07, 01:38

Binbin hi, hi everyone!

I wolfed a result of this, and I am glad that it has made good progress!
Congratulations on your achievement!

(built-in 250mm GV reactor and purge-level purge purifier)
a second reactor 160mm hollow (tube for the passage of gas will be in a second time


What is the size of your GV / displacement. On your picture from inside the car, we see a LCD thermometer. Take you the temperature of the steam output GV (or better yet, to the reactor inlet). This setting would be very useful to be able to refine the dimensions of formula (in the case of a turbo, the depression system is probably different from Athmo, which should influence the range of T ° GV.
Your experience feedback would allow us to be more precise on this configuration! :D

Apparently, in the same picture, we see the water perf with a flow meter, I guess it is by that you limit the maximum flow of the water supply. I think that half a liter to the cent, it's a little weak, but you'll see well during the tests ...

For the rest, I did not quite understand how you transplant you on the engine, with respect to the turbo. Could you give us a ch'ti Crobard, just to get an idea?

Anyway, thank you for sharing your experience, that's how we advance :D - I say that to the attention of those who spend chopper info on the forum, without ever coming to let go of their results : Mrgreen:

We will have them !

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by camel1 » 06/05/07, 01:47

Arff! I just had a partial element to the question I just asked, it seems that you've put a probe on the outlet pipe of the GV, is seen in this photo:
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Watching her, I wonder if your thermocouple is in contact with copper, or is immersed in the atmosphere of the hose, measuring THAT T ° steam is very important so be it, otherwise it completely distorts the measurement. What you need to know is the T ° max when the engine power (up or when you presses the fungus)

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PS. To answer your problem of space in the links, you replace them with 20%, as in this position.

You can edit your previous posts to correct this, it would be super convenient as making a copy / paste the addresses of each photo ... : Cheesy:
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by Other » 06/05/07, 03:52

Hello
binbins4 wrote:Hello!
some problem of regage, no decrease of conso
for temperature output reactor between 140 à160 a degree above can not? I 1mm of iron I think pass 1,5 mm
Water conso 5dl to 100
for the turbo pressure sensor, the other day I opened too large hard power loss exceed the 60 kmh on 5km despite handing in normal configuration



I do not think redo a reactor with a entrefert of 1,5mm is a good thing, I have two fixtures a fewer 1mm and the other 1,5 mm, if it was a remake entrefert would 1mm all reactors ..

It's almost on you or take your steps you indicate clearly too hot .. heat is transferred from the hot reactor in copper, I modified denierement temperature probe
I solder the stainless steel envelope to go inside the copper pipe to 120mm before arriving in the inlet, I used the cooking thermometer IKÉA it goes up to 130C maximum and if you 'open there are two files that go to the adjustable buzer to make a check (possibly).
In normal operation I adjust the water flow to make it operates around 100c, my water consomation the last two measures is 1,1 liters per hour as I roll the cruse a100kmh (Totalizer my grip when I ' 9 has arrived) that I thought my sytem was not working well I lacked of km traveled, I have to find me something else to exactly measure km traveled.

If I decrease the consumption of water the temperature exceeds the 130c if I increase the consumption of water that fall to 87c rarely lower ..

If we analyze the output temperature is observed that there are several factors involved in this temperature ..

1- the temperature of the reactor body, which depends on the fuel consumption demanded
2- the amount of air that passes into the reactor, which depends on the depression in front of the engine (or venturi constriction on admission)
3- the amount of water (steam) that is swallowed in the reactor

Too much reactor inlet vacuum is undesirable (too much restriction on the air inlet)
we call restriction, when the conduit that brings air to the reactor is smaller than the reactor rod surface. (A necessecité for those with a carburetor operates water)
A bubbler produces depression of the water level in the bubbler (and again) is on once started bubbling, depression is even lower (diodes avalanche principle)

The amount of air flowing into the reactor following fixed étand depression, water vapor is more variable, giving us different steam air ratio in the reactor inlet.
There is a seuile or do not spend too much steam in the reactor, it is preferable to have an excess of air ..

I have long believed that a reactor outlet temperature has meant 85c reactor drowned this is true if we spend a lot of steam and little air in the reactor, but if passing air suffisemant in the reactor, it is not drowned, but moist air
Another finding the engine over fishing when output reactor is below 90c .. (this is not to say cheaper)

I have not managed to établire a precise link with economy and outlet temperature.
It is a good debimetre that it takes to improve the syteme, because to make trips it takes too much time .. And a good totalizer!

Andre
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by binbins4 » 07/05/07, 23:10

here I moved the probe I made an incision in the pipes to place the thermocouple I have more contact with the copper the temperatures are the same 140 / 180degréssi it is too high I racourci the stem of 250mm! !!
I added a little water to 7dl 100 about raising the level, it works great with the GV drops in drops to visualize the consumption (idle 1goute seconds every 4 / 1 in carge goute per second more)
I'm going to do depressions on a chiller

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by binbins4 » 20/08/07, 12:59

hello, for info I have all stop on the vito after full trial unsuccessful, now I pantonise fiat ducato 2.8l id camper, fuel to hbv
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