Pantone engine on Citroën Xantia 1.9L TD

[muzo_31]

Lau, Andre saw the best. But its assembly worked before the winter, and the cold had neutralized it.

For my part, I have a mini carb and not a bubbler.

I did not have time to re-measure the depression to see if my editing has moved.

[PITMIX]

For info for lau I tried, when editing on my mini chopper, a mini bubbler made with a jar of glass pickle to see the bubulles. The dip tube was in diam 6mm and the air inlet also in 6mm. Sucking into the mouth by the dip tube was bullets. So for the bubbler on the car there is no problem. The important thing when you reduce the air intake of the bubbler is that you increase the speed of passage of steam in the reactor and that you reduce the surplus air brought into the cylinders. If you close all that sucks so much that the engine eats all the water of the bubbler in a few seconds. And goodbye Berthe.
I remember a guy who started this car in the morning with the reactor in service (fueled water). Oil was coming out of the breather and the car was spinning 30sec and stalling.
It is also necessary to maintain a good temperature in the bubbler so that the water vaporizes properly because the bubbling in my opinion it is mainly used to over-oxygenate the water. Spraying at 40 ° C I tested on my mini chopper. I thought it does not matter. The problem is that I could not do a test of conso with this machine.

[lau]

Thank you for the info.
I put my sheath to suck the hot air over the collector, it makes a lid noise while rolling so I put foam to cushion shocks.
pit, my bubbler is a few cm from the reactor, it also touches the engine exhaust pipe, and the coil makes 2 towers inside; when I start the mill, the T ° of the radiator rises quickly and if I touch the bubbler I burn (I would like to put a horizontal dial thermometer with connection 15 / 21)
This one bubble now even in slow motion, still a few days of road and I would have the results of conso.

At the exit of the reactor, the copper with bluish reflections, I wonder how much it could rise?

[PITMIX]

For information on a compressor refrigeration 30CV the discharge temperature reached max 120 ° C with R22 used to make frozen, copper becomes bluish.

[muzo_31]

And then lau, the pentone works?
less conso? a little more torque at low speed?

I had it once, but it does not do it anymore

[lau]

The pantone works: 1L.4 water / 100km, the reactor output is really hot. Now when it comes to the torque, the power or the top speed ... sincerely there is no difference yet all the parameters are good. (T °, conso of water, length of reduced hoses)
For the fuel conso, it's underway on my usual routes, current result next week.
This morning I took the lead in aluminum because it was really loud and it was splitting everywhere.
Tomorrow evening if I have time, I finish my automatic filler thanks to rezut advice (bird trough system)
Next week also, just after the result of my conso, photos of my proto on the forum.

[Other]

Hello Lau
1,4 liter 100km or an hour is too much, it's good to do a cleaning of the engine, but for the fuel economy
that will not give big numbers,
Before making an automatic filling system ensure that the bubbler is functional, it is not enough just to bubble bubbles it takes good (steam) with as much water the sytéme becomes effective over a short period of time, this is not long that the front of the stem becomes wet and the panton you vein to lose it, you will aprécevoir have the use,
If you do not feel the torque effect in charge or acceleration, do not do a 300km just to check the consumption you will be disappointed.
Another thing the measurement of temperature of the exit of the reactor, is not a pledge of good functionnemet, I already saw the engine well react with an exit of 110c and sometimes with 180c
In general on a petrol engine it is between 160c and 180c, just look at the color of copper is sufficient, not invested in a thermometer, I almost no longer watching rolling, since I use a bubbler it is stable, with a carburettor water it told me the amount of water to put and especially if the jet was clogged, (main problem)
For a turbo diesel engine it stands painfully above 100c, you must roll in a good rib, If you put the insulation on the reactor and on the outlet pipe with little water ..

Andre

[lau]

Thank you André for your valuable advice, I will open a section with photos of my proto, you will see more clearly.
To reduce the consumption of water is simple, I only have to close a little the suction valve of the bubbler, but for now I do not touch anything and I finish my conso even if it is disappointing.

[PITMIX]

Hello
I did a test today in hill and strangely I realized that the output temperature of the reactor varies inversely proportional to the difference in the road or the opening of the butterfly. The more I accelerate, the lower the temperature. Yet the engine consumes very little water.
Maybe my probe is badly isolated but it seems strange.
When mounted the motor forces more, so I accelerate more, and the output reactor drops to 100 ° C. As soon as I release the accelerator by returning to the dish the temperature rises quickly.
With or without water the effect is the same but the temperatures are different (warmer without water). Hard to know if the car has more torque with the car box. Pedal of gas bottom retrograde box and the car accelerates strong in both cases. It may be that my venturi is obstructed by tartar or other ...

[Other]

Good evening Pitmix
At first I think you have a problem with your intake tube in the intake manifold
when the butterfly is closed there is the maximum vacuum in the reactor, so the maximum passage, air and water in the reactor. this gives a greater heat transfer,
when you walk full gas following the arrangement of the conduit under the butterfly, it is possible that instead of siphoning into the reactor, you push, or you pull at all, this results in a cooling of the conduit (what you read on the thermometer, )
When the motor forces it is the one that you most need to pass water in the reactor, it is also that the reactor has its best performance, not only for the heat, but because of the quantity of air than the downstream engine.

The verification you did: weld a small tube on the reactor outlet pipe and connect a vacuum manometer
those used in cars or pump systems. you will see, if when the butterfly is open in a dimension if it sinks in the reactor ...
It is necessary, when there is a big passage of the air in the engine that the configuration of the entry is in depression, A simple pipe cut in whistle suffice, otherwise your reactor will never work ...

In my case I took a well-designed entrance, that of the ERG valve
as I have a mid-displacement engine, the throttle butterfly and open trouble to ride 100kmh and practically never I put the pedal at the bottom.


Andre