Pantone engine in Argentina

[Other]

Hello

did you observe the hypnow page?

what's this ? hypnow and where is it?


Andre

[Christophe]

Hypnow is the commercial evolution of the spad, more info here:

https://www.econologie.com/forums/kit-panton ... t3122.html

[rodibruno]

Hello

did you observe the hypnow page?

what's this ? hypnow and where is it?


Andre

Hello Andre:
My question is: do you have any idea to reproduce the Retrokit system?
Ask you because it seems to me that it is simpler than the Spad, will be as effective?
Mo'il attracts his simpleza. I think it doesn't have a "reactor" like the Pantone system or the Spad, I think it should only have one tube in another. Without steel core.
Your what do you think
Thank you

[Other]

Hello

My question is: do you have any idea to reproduce the Retrokit system?
Ask you because it seems to me that it is simpler than the Spad, will be as effective?
Mo'il attracts his simpleza. I think it doesn't have a "reactor" like the Pantone system or the Spad, I think it should only have one tube in another. Without steel core.
Your what do you think

I had not seen these assemblies, at first glance it is designed for simplicity and those who have no means of welding
It's small compact, but to examine (I can be wrong) the internal rod is replaced by a hollow tube
it is an experiment which I made a few years ago with a 100% panton Hollow rod that works provided that the tube rod is relatively thick, (a solid rod with better output)
This mini reactor must be supplied by a bubbler or steam generator or at least water in aerosol.

Although it is difficult to pronounce with just the vision of this image and to make an evaluation of this reactor.

the disadvantage of compact assemblies with hollow rod it is difficult to make it efficient from the thermal point of view, the part which must be the warmest also receives the entry of cold vapor, difficult to take advantage on an engine with low load as on automobiles.
The suction pipe in the hose is adaptable for a tractor, but on a car where the intake is largely dimensioned this will not give enough depression, a venturi is preferable.
The physical dimension of the reactor in an exhaust pipe of 50 mm risks not capturing enough heat especially a low-load engine (this was my problem when I put my reactor behind the turbo)

Its simplicity and ease of installation is interesting for some handyman little tool ...
It remains to have figures on auto, performance to get an idea.

A reactor is quite simple to make with basic materials.
there are 2 things to examine in the assemblies that making us seek the maximum output, or seek the simplicity of construction, in our case it is not to make it a commercial production, we must think simple, easily modifiable to improve the system and seek maximum performance.

Andre

[rodibruno]

hello andre:
We are with problems:
The tractor has greatly improved its operation.
Not smoked and it works with more power, but its economy does not exceed 7/8%.
Seran too two reactors?
Cv is an engine of 75. it consumes 15 liters of GO and 1 liter of water in the hour.
Thank you

Hello

My question is: do you have any idea to reproduce the Retrokit system?
Ask you because it seems to me that it is simpler than the Spad, will be as effective?
Mo'il attracts his simpleza. I think it doesn't have a "reactor" like the Pantone system or the Spad, I think it should only have one tube in another. Without steel core.
Your what do you think

I had not seen these assemblies, at first glance it is designed for simplicity and those who have no means of welding
It's small compact, but to examine (I can be wrong) the internal rod is replaced by a hollow tube
it is an experiment which I made a few years ago with a 100% panton Hollow rod that works provided that the tube rod is relatively thick, (a solid rod with better output)
This mini reactor must be supplied by a bubbler or steam generator or at least water in aerosol.

Although it is difficult to pronounce with just the vision of this image and to make an evaluation of this reactor.

the disadvantage of compact assemblies with hollow rod it is difficult to make it efficient from the thermal point of view, the part which must be the warmest also receives the entry of cold vapor, difficult to take advantage on an engine with low load as on automobiles.
The suction pipe in the hose is adaptable for a tractor, but on a car where the intake is largely dimensioned this will not give enough depression, a venturi is preferable.
The physical dimension of the reactor in an exhaust pipe of 50 mm risks not capturing enough heat especially a low-load engine (this was my problem when I put my reactor behind the turbo)

Its simplicity and ease of installation is interesting for some handyman little tool ...
It remains to have figures on auto, performance to get an idea.

A reactor is quite simple to make with basic materials.
there are 2 things to examine in the assemblies that making us seek the maximum output, or seek the simplicity of construction, in our case it is not to make it a commercial production, we must think simple, easily modifiable to improve the system and seek maximum performance.

Andre

[Other]

Hello

We are with problems:
The tractor has greatly improved its operation.
Not smoked and it works with more power, but its economy does not exceed 7/8%.
Seran too two reactors?
Cv is an engine of 75. it consumes 15 liters of GO and 1 liter of water in the hour.
Thank you

Before deciding on your editing it will take some details
you said rod 12mm length 150mm ..
Reactor tube I assume 1/2 pipe there are different internal sizes
the tube rod space must be from 1 mm to 1,5 mm maximum, preferable closer to 1mm
the reactor must not be galvanized. Ordinary or stainless steel.
How is the bulb heated? with exhaust or engine water? (preferable exhaust on a tractor)
For a consumption of 14 liters either the tractor works hard or it is something other than a gardener tractor.
1 liter of water for a consumption of 14 liters is clearly insufficient for a tractor, it should be double

You should know if the outlet of the reactor, the copper pipe becomes hot normally it changes color.
it has to suck up enough in the reactor, the consumption is proportional to what goes in the reactor, the limit it is not necessary that the reactor drowns and cools too

So several things to know do not place the reactor in a large diameter exhaust pipe it does not capture enough heat.
organize to have good suction in the intake, restriction, venturi bevel tube ect ..

The air inlet tube in the bubbler must be at least 3/4 pipe

1/2 inch or 5/8 internal copper reactor outlet tube
everything must be waterproof, to have a good depression


you would have to scan a little diagram with given to get an idea
of your editing to understand a little.

7 to 8% it is not measurable it is part of the variables depending on the engine load especially on a tractor, one day it works hard and another time it is less strong.
on a car, flat highway it is measured at 100km consistency is more regular than measuring by the hour.

Andre

[rodibruno]

Hello Andre:
The assembly here:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... eactor.JPG

I hope this photo serves as information.
Thank you
Rodolfo

Hello

We are with problems:
The tractor has greatly improved its operation.
Not smoked and it works with more power, but its economy does not exceed 7/8%.
Seran too two reactors?
Cv is an engine of 75. it consumes 15 liters of GO and 1 liter of water in the hour.
Thank you

Before deciding on your editing it will take some details
you said rod 12mm length 150mm ..
Reactor tube I assume 1/2 pipe there are different internal sizes
the tube rod space must be from 1 mm to 1,5 mm maximum, preferable closer to 1mm
the reactor must not be galvanized. Ordinary or stainless steel.
How is the bulb heated? with exhaust or engine water? (preferable exhaust on a tractor)
For a consumption of 14 liters either the tractor works hard or it is something other than a gardener tractor.
1 liter of water for a consumption of 14 liters is clearly insufficient for a tractor, it should be double

You should know if the outlet of the reactor, the copper pipe becomes hot normally it changes color.
it has to suck up enough in the reactor, the consumption is proportional to what goes in the reactor, the limit it is not necessary that the reactor drowns and cools too

So several things to know do not place the reactor in a large diameter exhaust pipe it does not capture enough heat.
organize to have good suction in the intake, restriction, venturi bevel tube ect ..

The air inlet tube in the bubbler must be at least 3/4 pipe

1/2 inch or 5/8 internal copper reactor outlet tube
everything must be waterproof, to have a good depression


you would have to scan a little diagram with given to get an idea
of your editing to understand a little.

7 to 8% it is not measurable it is part of the variables depending on the engine load especially on a tractor, one day it works hard and another time it is less strong.
on a car, flat highway it is measured at 100km consistency is more regular than measuring by the hour.

Andre

[Other]

Hello

The assembly here:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... eactor.JPG

I can't get access?


Andre

[rodibruno]

Hello

The assembly here:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... eactor.JPG

I can't get access?


Andre

A FORGIVENESS ANDRE:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IT IS AWAKENING I DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH
THANK YOU

[Christophe]

rodibruno, Andre cant see the picture.
The reason is NO SPACE in title of the pics please, please rename the .jpg and reup it on the server.