Moto 1000 VOXAN doping steam

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by Cuicui » 28/05/08, 11:06

roms44 wrote:I suggest everyone to see this site www.water4gas.com there are a hundred manufacturers in the USA of this system. I made and installed on my auto diesel.
I would only say one thing, it works perfectly and I invite anyone who wants to come to my house to see that. romu.garnier@yahoo.fr

Uh, can you tell us more (principle used, results obtained)?
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by I Citro » 28/05/08, 13:11

: Arrow: We know this product.

We've had a long debate on it ...
This is a conventional electrolysis with chemical adjuvant ...

The results announced are not convincing. :?
For example the conso WW Bora TDI before transfo is much higher conso observed on the same model in France.
The conso announced after transfo is when it comparable to the conso made by the French users having a reasonable conduct of this model, and without any transformation. :!:

We are waiting for your exact figures with impatience. : Idea:

By the way, you would not consider becoming a reseller of this product. :?:
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by roms44 » 28/05/08, 14:15

I open another post because it is not the subject.
but the idea is the same, send in the mixer of the gas hydroxy rather than the oxygen of the steam.
For WW, I spoke with this Italian, his "performances" are Italian ...
when he knew I would not buy his electrolyser, he did not answer me anymore.
I change the page!
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by roms44 » 29/05/08, 12:38

Finally, for your bike, this system exists.
I have plans if you want.
besides, I have lots of plans that I do not know what to do with car heaps that work with an electrolyser. This principle dates from the beginning of the last century

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by MichelM » 29/05/08, 14:29

Bonjour à tous

The subject electrolysis has been widely exposed and tried on this forum. On my side before testing the Pantone a few years ago I tried what could give the Meyer process (static), but given the small amount of gas obtained compared to what aspires a motor and saw the electric energy consumed I was a little skeptical about the possible gain and I did not continue further (maybe wrong I admit).
Obviously with the current cost of fuel we will see all the systems come out as in the 73 years that promise spectacular gains in consumption. It seems to me that we must remain realistic and that we can not greatly increase the efficiency of a heat engine modern et well settled with some small modifications that do not cost much.
With training in driving economics, or even with a wooden block under the accelerator, you can lower your consumption of 20%. Another reflection on my part: it is not so easy to measure its consumption in the same conditions to make valid comparisons and one tends to drive differently when testing an economizer system.

So I am here to test the doping with water vapor and not the electrolysis, it is actually to be treated in another subject.
Good luck it's not that simple in my opinion.

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by Other » 29/05/08, 15:44

Hello

I wonder what material the electrodes are made of?
I just have a simple probe that makes contact with water powered 12 volts with a few milliamperes (solid relay stage) after 8 days of operation I must clean it more contact ..

Currently a pure nickel ball, wire inconel, (for the moment I clean before finding a durable solution

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by MichelM » 18/06/08, 18:52

Bonjour à tous

I redid the steam generator, the small copper pipe sent me too much splashing water despite 2 meters long.
I wanted to do it in stainless steel and brazed on the exhaust to be able to remove it later but considering the difficulty to have stainless soldering and good flow at a reasonable price I finally made the copper generator, a form a little complicated to go behind the original stainless steel cover and have a little volume and avoid direct splashing water to the exit.
I had to change it a little: water inlet at the lowest point and more vertical exit for the water to come down more easily (and yes there are still projections!).

Test drive this morning early and tonight in heavy traffic jams (blocking trucks ?!), it's good it works much better.
Side amenity although not measurable (placebo effect?!) Flexibility seems better: the other days (without water) the engine always tends to jerk at low speed and low load especially in traffic jams (heat), here it is better and I allow myself to pass the street corner in 2ème 1 000tr / mn while usually it is in 1ère (the idle is 1200 rpm). It seems to me that despite the traffic jams the oil temperature remained relatively low compared to the other days.
It's at least that's won.
The water consumption is very low for the moment (I was afraid of upwelling).
For gasoline consumption it will be necessary to make comparative measurements by putting the poorer injection and rolling on the flat at a steady speed with and without water ...
Ah, if I had a circular test track closed to traffic!

Pictures of the steam generator set astride the exhaust tube, despite the game between the 2 it heats well:

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After small modifications of the entry and the exit:

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by MichelM » 26/06/08, 08:06

Hello

Commissioning of the modified steam generator and lambda probe richness regulation. The regulation is rather slow which can be unpleasant at slow speed and low load (pumping). I can adjust the regulation of 0,1 Volt to 1 V, for the moment I am at 0,4V so close to a standard value (0,45V to 0,5V).
The consumption has for the moment decreased even if the assembly is operational only since 140 km on the 200km traveled:
so 5,7 L in town instead of the regular 6 L I had before. It is little but encouraging.
This is obviously to be confirmed in the long term.

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by Capt_Maloche » 26/06/08, 10:00

Remundo wrote:Surely Christopher, Andrew or Captain will react ...


Hello :D

I discover this thread that I will read following

indeed, my first reaction will be that I still have not understood why the bikes consumed 7 times more than a car in weight ratio,
power ratio 7 times higher certainly, but in steady state ...

otherwise, nice work, I read more ... A +
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by Christophe » 26/06/08, 10:34

Capt_Maloche wrote:indeed, my first reaction will be that I still have not understood why the bikes consumed 7 times more than a car in weight ratio,
power ratio 7 times higher certainly, but in steady state ...

otherwise, nice work, I read more ... A +


Maybe because it accelerates 7 times faster and a motorcyclist always drives and accelerates faster than a car, even when driving "soft"? : Cheesy:
Well that's the difference between theory and practice.

In steady state: the S of a biker is "not bad" but the Cx is catastrophic for most (except rough road style that of Tigrou, the Pan European or the big BM)

My VFR from 1994 and 94 cv consumes between 5 and 5.5L for 248 kg empty (I think).

It is exactly the same conso (at equal performance since we were riding together) than a Z from 2004 with all the electronics and 50 kg less ... but without "bubbles" ...
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