Pantone fixtures in the Centre Region

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by zorseman » 07/04/07, 23:51

ccad wrote:Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum and I would like to share my thoughts with you.
I know the Pantone process since 2 years and I read a lot about it but not yet moved on to directing.
I'm on tours and it is by reading intervention Hitih and its GPL 405 I decided to post.

I have a Range Rover GPL, and I look at first to make it work in BingoFuel Jean-Louis Naudin

http://quanthomme.free.fr/jlnlabs/bingofuel/index.htm

The LPG system is particularly suitable for testing because everything is already there, there has to disconnect the gas pipe of the diffuser and replace the hose BingoFuel ... and see if it works.

The combustion of BingoFuel, like the GPL also essentially producing water vapor and CO2, this is where the Pantone system ...
I think in the pungent reactor inlet gas directly into the exhaust, we can dispense with bubbler.

3me reflection: The mower retroffited Jean-Louis Naudin, once again, works with a mixture SP25 95% and 75% water.
(I think that the passage of the exhaust gases in the bubbler, is not foreign to the case ...).
Furthermore, Pantone argues that the system can work with any fuel that contains organic carbon.
He would also have managed to run a closed-circuit engine ... I say he "would" because I did not find any comments or articles on the issue.

Which brings me to this:
The engine should work in the worst case 50% of traditional fuel (BingoFuel or LPG) and 50% of water vapor from the exhaust via one or more reactors, and all that in approaching the 0 pollution.
All the elements already being in a gaseous state, the feeding system (LPG) being mounted on the car, the embodiment would be minimized.

One can also imagine as a reactor fuel with LPG and another with 50-50 exhaust, but it complicates assembly, and I am not convinced of the benefit of it.

So, for now I miss the time for experimentation, but if these ideas could be used for other I would be delighted.

ccad

Hello!
I don't know if you always share this forum?
I'm not long from your place!
I do not know how you will find 80A in your car for the manufacture of bingo fuel but I am taking any information.
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by zorseman » 07/04/07, 23:54

kennynou wrote:Hi, I'm grouper (a 40 km towers) like I discovered I am the pantone and adapted to my 2cv! I'm using good mechanical Sunday.
I think faudrai meet for a weekend to comun our plans and start carrying on a real car engine test. (Jveux well put an engine 2cv tested) I 1 possibility of having another. I have friends who turn a mower background pantone apart the noise it made, it works.
You can contact me by email or on my mp kennynou@hotmail.com
A bientot!

Loches is near my home!
ET : Shock: : Shock: I do not know this passionate 2cv ecolo but where are you hiding?
Did you watch DVD N ° 12 of 2CV Xpert ??????
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by manufacture 37 » 15/06/08, 23:59

Bonsoir
I am new to the forum , I'm on the rocks 35 km south of Tours
I want to install a pantone on a someca 1000 super tractor after the harvest.
Where are you with your installations?
We can contact each other. 8)
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by louss43 » 08/08/08, 23:32

Bonsoir
I am new to the forum , I'm from Brioude 60 km from Clermont Ferrant
I wish to install a pantone on a 1.9 d clio I have already made the reactor
I lack information to heat the water I would like to use a mob fuel
please
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Pantone Chenonceaux




by vinny » 05/09/08, 22:50

Hello, I'm new to the forum... I pants my vectra of 1992, 1.6i of 319 km. It's been almost 000 km that I drive with and the results are rather encouraging (in terms of gain on pollution)

-consumption 0.4 / 0.5l of water per 100km, torque gain, less engine noise.
-6.5 l / 100 SP98 (with or without trailer. I did a test on 600km. The consumption was unchanged despite the use of the trailer - about 300km)

I just installed a wealth controller (to compensate for the oxygen supply that the calculator must counter)

I rode it tonight and tried the car for about 50km. It only remains for me to check consumption ...

Having only "gasoline" cars, my next achievement is a Volvo 760 GLE (V6) ....

I will be "crazy" to participate in an association which aims to promote pantone or its derivatives ...

You can contact me : vince.dore@gmail.com

Economically,
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by vinny » 07/09/08, 11:36

Hello!

I have just completed around 150 km since the wealth controller was installed. The performances are comparable to those before, with a lambda signal curve sent to the computer shifted to 0.25V (for a lambda of 1 or signal = 0.5V). I will keep this setting, and I will try a signal setting at 0.150V. These last 150km, I have the impression that my gauge has come down more slowly (logic ...)
On the other hand, my lambda signal indicator (bar graph voltmeter) tells me with these settings a probe signal at 0.5V - 0.55V at peak, the regulation, being, I recall, of 0.25V. Either the lambda probe is lured by pantone gases (electrified gases ???), or the mixture is really stochiometric ...

My first conclusions:
- I had my car, it had 112 km, it has 000 km - I feel like I have a new engine under the hood !!

- The engine (C16NZ - 75cv) is original, the only part changed is the ignition distributor at 221 km - not bad for a heavy body ...

- I refueled this morning to be able to measure consumption 6.45l / 100 (and my foot is a little heavy ...).

I will post the conclusions of my next consumption.

I have to do a bench test with the Château garage (Chenonceaux) to measure the results ...
It will be a good point of comparison, because I had a test done on this same bench in February at around 309km - without the Pantone system ...

Happy Sunday everyone and may our actions preserve the health of our planet and that of our children ...
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by vinny » 07/09/08, 11:44

By the way: here are the links of the sites from which I was inspired for the realization of the wealth controller (http://better-mileage.com/) to which I added a 7805 regulator and modify the values ​​of the RC circuit and that of the lambda signal indicator (http://vassistance.free.fr/2002/control ... hesse.html) remained to him as is, but I plan to make one at 20 leds for more precision.
To your soldering irons ...
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by vinny » 07/09/08, 20:23

Hi,

I tried to modify the lambda signal to 50mV at the output of the wealth controller then I made a test on the road. I RECOMMEND THIS SETTING !!!
The engine lacked "fishing" ... therefore too poor. With pantone gases, the correct setting seems to be around 200mV ... (this is to be tried out at your own risk - without any guarantee of result of course ...)

By cons I had a signal from the probe whose frequency was higher. Maybe because of the hotter exhaust gases? (I would have to install an EGT to make sure ...)


Anyway, I think we can refer to the richness controller of the "Better Mileage" site for the settings to use.
These were my last observations.

Good luck to all!
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by Other » 07/09/08, 21:00

Hello

I tried to modify the lambda signal to 50mV at the output of the wealth controller then I made a test on the road. I RECOMMEND THIS SETTING !!!
The engine lacked "fishing" ... therefore too poor. With pantone gases, the correct setting seems to be around 200mV ... (this is to be tried out at your own risk - without any guarantee of result of course ...)


It depends where you take your mass if you take it on the Lambda probe the values ​​you can go down close to 150mv
but if you take it on the negative of the battery you can go to zero

When you drive with a loss of power consumption increases because you have to put more accelerator to stay at 100kmh,
the best setup is when you feel a loss of power, you enrich it until you resume your fishing.
There is practically nothing to gain by driving too poor.

If you drive at 90kmh you must be richer if you drive 130kmh the engine supports poorer, the filling of the engine increases

Andre
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by vinny » 07/09/08, 22:25

Goodnight Andrew

I did not indeed check the engine mass and that chassis.

In my case, turning to 200mV looks promising.

I will keep you posted on future developments. I'll check this mass story tomorrow (every day is enough :D )

Good night,

Vincent
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