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by Christophe » 16/11/04, 08:40

Adrian wrote:I talk about it everywhere around me. If they see that it is really effective, they are for the most part ready to install the same thing at home.

And that's why it moves so slowly too: all of St Thomas !!! Basically it is: the others take the risks and me the benefits ?? But where are we going? If I had had this reasoning when I chose my subject of Engineer project I would have accepted the subject that a big company had proposed to me ... with undoubtedly a hiring with the key but I chose the way of the galley ... So please a little courage to lead by example !!

ps: for efficiency, at least in depollution, I have proven and reproved all the figures are on the site .... for the rest 20% of consumption reduction are guaranteed cf the zx ... But there is there not enough testimonials on the quanthomme site?
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by Adrien » 16/11/04, 14:18

Sorry not to be up to you.

Some people need their vehicle all the time, and have very little time for it. How could they install the system taking the risk of being able to use their vehicle more?

Besides, we're not all engineers.
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by Adrien » 16/11/04, 14:25

I know that the system works, but for it to be effective, you must not do anything. I find plans of the diagram extremely simplified everywhere, but nowhere of the plans to be followed "to the letter". So to be able to realize the system on such or such vehicle, it is necessary to take time, to make tests, tests ... If people after having adapted one of their vehicles made a completely detailed diagram, that would be much easier.

The diagrams are a bit like the sources in software ...

There to be able to start, I have to break my ass (proper), personally it does not bother me, on the contrary ... It allows me to learn to be able to help others ... But I understand completely that some people can't get started.

For the ZX it is fine, but given the work done, it is not within the reach of the first comer. The proof, you had to be respectively a professor, and an engineer to be able to carry out the assembly.

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by fred » 16/11/04, 14:49

econology wrote:And that's why it moves so slowly too: all of St Thomas !!! Basically it is: the others take the risks and me the benefits ?? But where are we going? If I had had this reasoning when I chose my subject of Engineer project I would have accepted the subject that a big company had proposed to me ... with undoubtedly a hiring with the key but I chose the way of the galley ... So please a little courage to lead by example !!


The majority source of the problems of our world is there! :(
Some want to benefit from the work of others ... and we are very legitimate! It always happened like that. :D
It is obvious that everyone can participate in this kind of project with this that he can give. Let's not talk about money, let's just talk about time, knowledge, enthusiasm, whatever, we all know how to give but maybe not the same things ... and so ... who can judge. <_
The engineer who works all day on a project is very happy to receive a snack made by his wife, a colleague or simply delivered by the local pizzeria, people who also have their problems and who in their way participate in his job.
We must not forget that to give you must first have received, whether knowledge, skill or why not just love.:D
The risks ?
The risks are basically the short-term destruction of many forms of life on earth (including man), and the earth will recover or fall into another balance, even better, who knows but without the ho .
Profits:
We should try to get out of our minds that the benefits will be financial (no doubt for some), the benefits are of a completely different order and of quite relative importance, the safeguard of our mother the earth.
So if my neighbor comes to me and says to me, you know your thing, I'm interested in heating my house and running my tractor ... well, it brings me enthusiasm, motivation, because I know that if tomorrow he rolls with water, vegetable oil and that above all he becomes aware of its impact on the environment, well the adventure is partly won.
What will we do in ten years with a good job and a good salary a good TV and the need to wear a mask to go out on the street and buy drinking water or even oxygen at a high price to a CobaBola or other master of the world.
That said, Christophe, I understand you and do not blame you in any way but we must consider the urgency of the situation. Our governments will not do it for us and they educate our children to remain passive, inactive, roast.:P
It is true that it takes courage and of which to be. Others have proven it to us and some of their qualities have lost them.
By keeping this project open, it will reach a maximum of actors in a maximum of time. of countries with a min. of risks for each and will give the one who can, time, money, strength, what do I know, this is what makes inet strength. The sun does not calculate when it gives us its heat, and yet without it ... we would not be there.
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by Jean Christophe 2cv » 16/11/04, 15:17

: huh: Hello to you Christophe and all the budding retrofitters ...

your idea of ​​association so that everyone moves in the right direction seems to me to be a serious idea! Since the beginning of this year that I fly from site to site and from forums en forums on this subject, it appears that we must share our ideas, resources, local skills etc ...

that's why I'm going to fill this with my profile the side "north east" of France

See you soon

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by Virgil » 17/11/04, 16:08

Christophe,

I quote you:
"- the telethon collects 100 € per year for something that affects 000% (maybe less) of the population. (and who I am sure of, I have to prove myself the opposite, funds research common to GMOs! ) .. Obviously we play on fear, fear and pity (by showing the sick) of people (YOU MAY BE ALL TOUCHED here is their key argument) ... Exactly like BUSH and terrorism ... use the primary instincts .. what baseness! ".

You are completely slipping, I cannot follow a guy who says these things.
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by Christophe » 18/11/04, 08:47

virgil wrote:Christophe,

I quote you:
"- the telethon collects 100 € per year for something that affects 000% (maybe less) of the population. (and who I am sure of, I have to prove myself the opposite, funds research common to GMOs! ) .. Obviously we play on fear, fear and pity (by showing the sick) of people (YOU MAY BE ALL TOUCHED here is their key argument) ... Exactly like BUSH and terrorism ... use the primary instincts .. what baseness! ".

You are completely slipping, I cannot follow a guy who says these things.

I may have been a little brutal but admit that it is indeed the reality ... I do not mean that the telethon is useless far from it! I mean that this operation has succeeded in very well securing the loyalty of donors in the same cause with regional and national delegations and that I am surprised that other "organizations" have not managed to have the same success ... .

The brutality of my words simply reflects a frustration at not being able to continue researching towards a cleaner engine when a lot of money is invested in R&D in France ...

Then who tell you about following ME? I gave the idea of ​​a grouping, of a slightly more structured organization, in no case did I say that it was I who was going to direct all of this ... I thought it was clear!
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by Virgil » 18/11/04, 09:19

The idea of ​​creating an association and paying guys (even very competent) to do R&D is nonsense!

- The magnetism of the Pantone tube appears to be pipo, on the rest, nothing justifies a patent (bubbler, pre-heating of the mixture)

- People will be employees of an association, will (perhaps) perfect a system which, if it works, will be bitten by the automobile industry in 2 stages three movements (unless this lobby does not ban this system altogether !).

I do not know why but I can already feel the rise in personal interests of some.
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by Adrien » 18/11/04, 11:37

Long live OpenSource! :D
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by Christophe » 18/11/04, 21:40

virgil wrote:The idea of ​​creating an association and paying guys (even very competent) to do R&D is nonsense!

- The magnetism of the Pantone tube appears to be pipo, on the rest, nothing justifies a patent (bubbler, pre-heating of the mixture)

- People will be employees of an association, will (perhaps) perfect a system which, if it works, will be bitten by the automobile industry in 2 stages three movements (unless this lobby does not ban this system altogether !).

I do not know why but I can already feel the rise in personal interests of some.

Here are my answers :

1) What do you mean by anything? Have you ever seen kk1 doing R&D without real means of development? Then it all depends on what you mean by "wage earner" ... no one is talking about salary for the moment but I simply said that you had to motivate the actors of the project in one way or another! But all this deserves to mature further ... and all proposals are welcome!

2) Yes for magnetism it's really not obvious ... but did you read my report in full? There are still "shady" things going on ... For the patent: whatever it has been refused in Europe for already 2 years .... so nothing is due to Mr Pantone ... For the rest what I think of the system is clearly stated on the pages I dedicate to it on the site!

3) For the redemption if the project is carried out in open source and even with remuneration of the participants (remuneration not necessarily financial and dependent on their contribution to the "community" ...) .. nothing can make it redeem since it will in the public domain .... and this is precisely why we must delegate as much as possible and have TOTAL transparency (e) (;)) !! The little swindlers trying to take advantage of the project (for the purpose of personal enrichment) will be quickly spotted ... so what? There will be a bit of money ... but nothing can prevent honest people from advancing together and advancing the thing (progress is not limited to R&D). Because that is the goal of the project ! I may be an idealist but I see the project like this ....

4) For the ban it is possible but in this case all the actors of the union will be outlaws ... and "everyone" will know that the governments are only on the pay of lobbies and some private interest and not in the "interest of all" and in this case we are no longer in democracy ... but in what I call a fricocracy ...

5) For the interests of some ... see 3)
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