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by Christophe » 10/11/04, 14:11

hi Rulian

Thank you for your future involvement and congratulations on your job I did not have your chance concerning me :(

For pollu'thon, I launched the idea like this (it had been trotting in my head for a long time) starting from a simple postulate:

- the telethon collects 100 € per year for something that affects 000% (maybe less) of the population. (and who I am sure, you have to prove me the opposite, funds research common to GMOs!) .. Obviously we play on fear, fear and pity (by showing the sick) of people (YOU CAN BE ALL TOUCHE here is their key argument) ... Exactly like BUSH and terrorism ... using primary instincts .. what baseness!

- pollution affects and will affect 100% of the world's population .... What are the current annual investments in R&D for real solutions? Need to say more?
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by fred » 11/11/04, 18:46

Hi everybody,

For my part, engineer technician by training (this is far from being the most important) and touches everything. We looked at the pantone a little over a year ago and are convinced of the potential. I would very much like to participate in the project while stressing that the aim should in no way be to 'make money' but to allow its rapid and widespread use. Ex: generator sets, boilers ...
Everything should go into an open source and totally free project. Otherwise, it is in my opinion lost in advance because if some want to make money with it, they are already bought.
By remaining completely 'open', it can spread very quickly (look at the GNU world) and the cause will be very noble.
With a friend we are trying to mount an oil diesel and our goal is to boost it with water afterwards. All in cogenerator (hot water / green electricity).
We can do it, just do it.

Fred
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by Superform » 11/11/04, 19:27

Hello Fred,
I agree with the principle of what you say, with a close reflection:
le totally free seems utopian to me, because if the project takes on a scale like the GNU, it will be necessary to spend a lot of time, and as it is necessary to live, these people who will spend their time in R&D, administration, etc., will necessarily have to be paid. Be careful, I'm talking long term. It is also for this reason that we will largely have to finance ourselves, 'sell' our future solutions, our future conferences and training. But, always in an open and uninterested spirit, at reasonable prices so that everyone can take part.

Christophe, sorry to take your words and arguments a bit, but there they are completely in the subject;) :P
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by Christophe » 11/11/04, 20:47

Superform does not matter, on the contrary at least I managed to convince a person! :D

For the opensource principle I am ok for non-takeover and the public domain (this is already the case with the Pantone reactor) and not ok for the reasons mentioned by Superform ... in addition to the fact that the engine R&D equipment costs bcp + more expensive than the computer ...

How are open source programmers paid (or live)?
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by Erde » 12/11/04, 12:13

Good morning all....

For quite some time, I have been observing with attention the developments concerning the Pantone reactor ...
It must be recognized that France currently has significant potential for knowledge and development thanks to motivated people like all of the others on this site.

I would particularly like to thank Christophe for his approach and his ability to "popularize" his research.

His idea of ​​federating energies is excellent, and I would modestly participate in this great adventure.
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Being a former garage manager and well aware of the problems associated with the investment of equipment, I totally agree with him on the fact of setting up a structure allowing to raise the funds necessary for the purchase of equipment.

It would also be necessary to find a central reception structure, in order to be able to work in the best possible conditions, although regional associations should participate in research, development and the organization of conferences ....

This structure cannot exist without being "commercial", and the most appropriate legal form would, in my humble opinion, be a cooperative ....

In addition, for this research activity to be viable, it is imperative that it generate short-term commercial spinoffs to generate even a modest income for its active members.

This research center should also allow the organization of training courses and this of course under very reasonable financial conditions to also allow the most "disadvantaged" to participate.

The example is given to us by these companies selling electronic chips to boost motors !!!! So why not do it to "retrofit" the motors ....

The goal will not be to enrich themselves, but to give the possibility to people to let express their skills, means in exchange, to have a small income while being in good standing with their conscience and with the satisfaction oh how rewarding of participate in a healthy evolution of our society ...
Unfortunately, it takes money to live, and from experience volunteering to its limits ....

I am sure that in France there are municipalities run by people sensitive to change, who would be happy to welcome this kind of project ..... And also to find the financial aid necessary for its realization.

It would be too long here to explain what I am thinking, but to sum up, I am thinking of a center grouping together several activities, a kind of eco-park for crafts and development ...

For my part, I am 50 years old, I have a good management experience, a great motivation to start a new professional activity respectful of nature and human values, and a little money to invest .... So I am going on an adventure!

Robert
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by Adrien » 12/11/04, 14:13

I am 100% for open source.

People who have made a pantone system can show it around them, and help / advise people around them who want to get started ...

By cons I do not agree when you say that Christophe:

"in addition to the fact that engine R&D equipment costs bcp more expensive than that in IT ..."

They spend fortunes ... except that it is spread over "everyone who wants to help".

Quite a few people I know contribute to the open source. What it brings to them (reports?) Is much more important than if they were simply "employed" to do the same.

Why not make a structure like Mandrake does in France? The open source does not necessarily rhyme with "losing" money ... Some with the skills and the will can open an "experimentation / installation" center funded by people who want to adapt an engine to them ...

It doesn't bother me that the pantone process can pay, but if it starts to be a money machine, it may rot the thing ...


Otherwise, I totally agree with the idea "let's unite", but since we don't all have the same state of mind, it risks blocking ... Those who have the money will decide for the others. .. But why not group together the people who "think more or less the same" and then there is mutual help between each group. That way those who want to make a living from it will be able to do so, those who want it to be free will be able to do so, etc. Exactly like the various "open source" projects.

I wrote on the fly, if you can't understand what I mean, I will try to be clearer.

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by lannic » 12/11/04, 20:26

I agree with what is said these days about the pantone process ...

I think the most suitable form would be that of association ...

this form makes it possible to manage a budget, a team, exchanges and also makes it possible to 'filter' the members by a contribution ...

moreover, the number of members can also influence certain political decisions.

in short, full of perspectives ...


as for the patent, since apparently it is not yet filed in France, why not do it in the name of the association in order to prevent it from falling into ill-intentioned hands.

all this in a democratic functioning system based on voting on this site for example!


we all have something to contribute for this purpose, technical knowledge, legal, material, time simply


Let's play!


I await your reactions!
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by fred » 15/11/04, 14:56

So, is that all? : Huh:
At this train there, it is not likely to move too quickly.


Christophe,

What do you do tomorrow if a big industrialist offers you a lab, a contract of 2 or even 5 years, with a big salary, a housing and in the long term claims you the exclusivity of the results of your work? :(
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This is why the project must remain open. :D

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by Christophe » 15/11/04, 19:48

fred wrote:So, is that all? : Huh:
At this train there, it is not likely to move too quickly.


Christophe,

What do you do tomorrow if a big industrialist offers you a lab, a contract of 2 or even 5 years, with a big salary, a housing and in the long term claims you the exclusivity of the results of your work? :(
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This is why the project must remain open. :D

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It does not move quickly because few people seem interested ... or that the "publicity" is missing (therefore to your emails, forum.... to do a little :D ).

For the "redemption" by an industrialist .... let him come and we will discuss it again ... but I doubt that it will happen ...
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by Adrien » 16/11/04, 01:10

I talk about it everywhere around me. If they see that it is really effective, they are for the most part ready to install the same thing at home.
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