Petrol engine water injection

[denis]

HELLO
Denis what is your system? in more detail please?
I would like to know what is porous bronze?
Thank you to all

it is a water doping by gv at constant level. 1l / 100 of water 2l / 100 less in gasoline, I beat with a too hot bubbler, then with the mainsail it was better, there are photos in the gallery, and look at the subject 2cv6 ...

[zorseman]

Thank you for your answer André
Aglomat style pneumatic accessory exhaust!
It's still hard to inject or add water, automation it is a hassle! it's good training for the pantone!

[buga]

uh ... zorgeman and denis ...
I have driven a lot of deuches for years ....
sometimes the engine would go over 250 km ....
etr I NEVER went up to 8 liters ....
I have no doubt never had a nickel-plated engine ..... but by adjusting it well without worrying, always with the lamp and the pin, I generally made 5,6 l with a 602 while driving mollo..and about 7 when I was driving at full speed ....
it is clear that with the transport that I have done a few times, my consumption increased, sometimes probably exceeding 8 liters ... but these are not criteria to measure consumption ....

and take a 2cv 4 and say that it does not exceed 80, you have to see which 400 engine it is .... with which gearbox ....
the 435 that I easily mounted to the original 110 ...
but on a hill, with several people, it becomes much less easy to exceed 60/70 ..

if the original full speed of this 400 was 80, that means that it had an old 425 of 12,18 or 21 hp .... (the three powers for this engine ....
but then, these engines are unable to reach 110 without going up to very large over-revs ....
therefore, these results must be put into perspective ....
tell me ... for this water boosting without pantone, with a diesel nozzle ....
where was this jet, and was it controlled manually, or by the accelerator, or other ?????

thank you...

[zorseman]

Hello
First a 2 CV4 is a 435cc point a 2CV6 is 602cc the 425cc are 2CV azam and other az….
The consumption of 8l and more has been for city use for a 2CV6, I agree that this same 2CV6 will have a consumption of + or - 6 liters on the road (7litres if you are loaded).
But 5,6 liter in town I'm ready to say it's impossible not with a 2CV6 an azam YES but a 2CV6
No one to speak of a diesel injector but of a fuel nozzle (traditional boiler burner and it is placed as indicated between the carburetor and the air filter.
To finish the data of the 2CV4 are not general data but data on this model which since September has cast a connecting rod, A causse of water ????, of wear ????? From old age ???

[buga]

oki, oki, don't get carried away dear experimenter ...
Indeed, in town it is hard to reach 5,6 liters ....
I am in the Belgian Ardennes countryside, and this is the best figure I have made with my deuches ....
on the other hand, on forums that I frequented, it is very rare to see someone say that his deuche drinks 8 liters ...
a deuche never drinks 8 liters, even in town, I can tell you, having had more than ten, all kinds of engines, 425,435,602,650 ...
Unless he has a problem, a bad setting, or other ....
the maximum consumption of a deuche in good condition, in town or in the countryside, whether you pull in or not, on condition that you do not tow, it is around 7 liters ......
even with my old 602 of 250 km, I did not exceed 000 liters, without a trailer ...
So I think your engine had some problem .... no wonder it breaks after a while ....
lack of compression ????
ignition out of order ???
unsuitable spark plugs ??? carburetted too rich ?????
I have never seen, sorry, a deuche which eats more than 7 liters without towing a trailer ... if it does not have a problem ... I do not want to offend you; but try to make you understand that your deuche had a problem that you probably did not understand ....
my 435, without having touched the ignition, the screws, the slamming valves made exactly 6,06 liters, even when pulling in ... (everything is relative, of course, my dear watson)
see you soon, and I promise to try your system on my 435 which has only 53 km, and to say the result here ....
without touching the ignition (except the advance) or the valves ...
moreover, I make tests in a long slope of 4 km, provided with false dishes and strong slopes precisely prejudicial to the small engine ... I can thus give rather precise results, by taking the total time, and the speed has several fixed places ....
cool, cool, we are deuchists above all ...

[zorseman]

no! no!
I would like to meet you at Egleton if you go!
2CV6 which make 7l I assure you that I do not know 8l against 8,5 I know in spades but the problem is not there. If we can decrease on 5,6l with a smurtste or a didule that's what matters.
I forgot to answer you the spray is entirely mauel (on what I saw) and totally random it works you open it cough you close.
But it works why I don't know, but it works!
I am in the process of testing and making test the system "vortex" or "WITH" (redrawing special Deuche) with pierced candle
until I find an automated way to add water
There is no indication in the patent of F and G Feronne de la Selva so I am looking with a depertion sensor with a 0 10v output and a solenoid valve but it does not work well not well but I will go where someone will find!
In the meantime it's 8L

[PITMIX]

Hello
It seems to me very complicated this injection system with pressurized tank and all the bastringue ...
Using the GV with a constant level is much simpler and does not require any automation.
The heat from the exhaust regulates the flow of steam according to the engine load.
I posted a little video to illustrate what I'm saying here
If the system with the bronze fuel injector is working then no doubt what I have done is also working.
On the other hand, I strongly doubt that it will work without providing a specific adjustment to the carburation.

[buga]

hello..the pierced candle, believe me it's a bit of a pipe ... several forums talked about it ... in an article, in the south of France, a guy was selling candles that he drilled himself, and claimed to earn 2 liters ...
impossible .... already spark plugs with several electrodes exist professionally, and do not save two liters ...
on the other hand, the vortex, on my 435 without blower, with a single body, it worked directly ABOVE the carb ...
if you find my post there, I don't even know where it is, I did different tests ....
on the other hand, for the engines initially provided with a blower, there does not seem to be any difference ...
and myself, by putting a blower and removing the vortex ABOVE the carebu, I arrive at the same speeds, but I still lose six seconds, as if the torque of the vortex was reduced ...
approximately precise tests, carried out on a long hill with false dishes of 4 km in total, full throttle ...
Obviously, with twenty tests, I stopped there, I'm not going to do 190 tests .. I still have a lot of other work ..
so on a double body with blower, I saw nothing as an improvement ...
what I could still do is decrease the lead I had advanced by 4 ° if I remember correctly ....

so I built a vortex speed regulator, but it didn't give any performance, no better, no worse than the simple vortex above the carb ...
and I found the explanation ...
instead of calculating the total area then the area of ​​the cone, I calculated the perimeters ...
bananas

[buga]

good..I plant myself in my figures, even with a calculator ...
diameter of my carbide, 51 mm.diameter of the cone set in half, 14 mm ...
considering that the volume of air that passes when I am at average speed must be equal to that normally aspired by the carburetor, I must surface the carburetor more surface of the cone at half of its course, and return to the diameter of the vortex. ..
when the cone descends deeper, it will close the vortex a little in the middle, increasing the speed of rotation, which will be better suited to low revs ...
lordsque I am at max speed, I raise the cone, and the turbulence must soften, which should help it work better ....
just or not right ???

[buga]

so..for your vortex ....
I made a direct one in the rubber above the carburetor ...
single, sheet 0,8 ..
straight cuts, 6 blades.
it worked straight away ... you can feel it and I could see big differences on my tests (everything being relative, a 435 which gains in places 8 km / h on a hill, and which gains 16 seconds over 4 km on hills, that is, is a big difference)
I tried a vortex better made under the carburetor ... total failure..I believe that because at this point, the flow passes alternately in both directions horizontally from the vortex, so that it is eliminated at each change of direction ...
I would have to dismantle the spider, and place one in each intake duct ...