water doping attempt by pantone process

[coucou789456]

Good evening

Posted on: Wed 11 Oct 2006, 00:28 Post subject: Unifying theory: Pantone, Vortex and planet Earth ..... by andré :

One thing is sure, the pitch of this spiral always corresponds to the radius of the rod
whether in steel or stainless steel and the direction of rotation is always the same.

little reminder of an old subject still current, and which gives us other details concerning the subject here present!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/theorie-un ... 01-30.html

jeff

[Flytox]

Hello coucou789456 (corrected presentation )

One thing is sure, the pitch of this spiral always corresponds to the radius of the rod
whether in steel or stainless steel and the direction of rotation is always the same.

With a few years of additional experience, it would be good for those who have tried to confirm or refute this sentence and give their point of view, photos etc ...

On my reactor, the only things that take shape (are not uniform / symmetrical) .... are the places where the rod touches the envelope (when it was badly centered) ....

[coucou789456]

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expensive Flytox, let's avoid any mistake, what I wrote in blue in my post is only a quote, so the text is not from me but from the author cited on the line just above .... quote that I have not "quoted".

noteworthy despite everything, this type of mark on the reactor rod was visible to the first experimenters but tended to disappear as the experiments progressed. we often speak of nothing more than a layer that deposits on the surface, neither more nor less.

I wonder if finally installing this system does not amount to a simple doping with water vapor with despite everything a certain saving in fuel and pollution but far enough if we compare it to the results obtained on transformations of tractors like those present and cited in the site "Quanthomme", where the savings happily reach 30 to 50% compared to the original! Here, we are far from this return and I would even say that no one talks about it anymore.

jeff

[Flytox]

Hello coucou789456

Good evening

expensive Flytox, let's avoid any mistake, what I wrote in blue in my post is only a quote, so the text is not from me but from the author cited on the line just above .... quote that I have not "quoted".

Oops! Many apologies for the misdirected quote, yet I had perfectly identified that the author was André ...
...it's corrected.

I wonder if finally installing this system does not amount to a simple doping with water vapor with despite everything a certain saving in fuel and pollution but far enough if we compare it to the results obtained on transformations of tractors like those present and cited in the site "Quanthomme", where the savings happily reach 30 to 50% compared to the original! Here, we are far from this return and I would even say that no one is talking about it anymore.

The "playground" between the tractor and the car is very different ... but that may not explain everything. The tractor may not be as "optimized" for fuel consumption as a car, and apparently it is easier to save big on an original "big" greedy engine than on a "small" fuel efficient engine. (this explaining that?).

[coucou789456]

Good evening

to follow up on the subject, even if this message could have been posted in other equivalent subjects of the forum :

The accumulation of charges is such that the dielectric breakdown limit is reached: from
that a molecule passes in the middle of the field (remember that the atmosphere is rarefied there because of the intake depression), it then promotes the conduction of electrons: there is
striking of an electric arc between the rod and the tube. The local temperature briskly exceeds 3000 ° C.
Some say they have measured a rod temperature higher than that of exhaust fumes. This hypothesis goes in this direction.

text from the following document: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/quanthommes ... idmouv.htm

on reading this document, apparently the temperature at the outlet would be higher than the temperature of the exhaust gases, which opens the hypothesis that it might not be necessary to make the assembly in the exhaust manifold, this which will greatly simplify the installation for many vehicles.

on the other hand, the exhaust gases circulating around the reactor, would it not have a utility other than that of simply heating the reactor, like an electrification of the external wall. it is only an assumption, of course.

on the other hand, that the rod and the tube is electrically insulated to allow the formation of these arcs. in this case, heat resistant material must be found, at least for the reactor outlet. at the entrance, teflon should do the trick.

remains the famous magnetic field, which even if it is not used directly still has its importance: the main thing is that it is always the same direction so that the vortex that is created around the rod also turns in the same direction. we could emit the idea of ​​creating it artificially, if only to start the vortex, thanks to a coil powered to create an artificial magnetic field in the reactor. Similarly, should we not use a non-magnetic material for the outer tube of the reactor, copper for example, and also perhaps find a solution to close the magnetic field of the rod.

The fact remains that according to the different engine speeds, the speed of the air + water vapor mixture, as well as the variable depression in the reactor leads to too random operation making it difficult to optimize efficiency. which explains why the system would work better with constant speed engines: tractor, generator, lawn mower, etc ...

naturally, despite the studies on the vortexes, their formation, their evolution, we navigate in an almost absolute blur because nobody really knows what is going on inside. only experiments, sometimes very empirical, lead to operating hypotheses.

the only statements we can make is the presence of a strong magnetic field during operation, as well as an outlet temperature sometimes higher than the temperature of the exhaust gases.

Read also : https://www.econologie.com/forums/post32444.html#32444 écrit par Andre the 27 September 2006
subject: the physicist's opinion
among other things, he talks about the famous spiral marks around the stem.
much remains to be done

jeff

[coucou789456]

Good evening

a question bothers me, causing the Pantone, almost everything that happens in the engine intake goes through the reactor. currently, it is only a venturi system which sucks the air + water vapor mixture through the reactor. would it not be good to try to pass everything again in the said reactor, so to increase the speed of mixing and the vortex effect at the same time?

jeff

ps: a pity, there are so many subjects that evoke the same work that we end up not knowing where to post

[Flytox]

Good evening cuckoo789456

a question bothers me, causing the Pantone, almost everything that happens in the engine intake goes through the reactor. currently, it is only a venturi system which sucks the air + water vapor mixture through the reactor. would it not be good to try to pass everything again in the said reactor, so to increase the speed of mixing and the vortex effect at the same time?

The problems of congestion, pressure drop and filling are rather difficult to solve by passing into something like a reactor. How not to almost completely choke the engine? Do you have an idea to suggest, a diagram?

[coucou789456]

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Indeed, it is easily understood that the system was created at the time for a fixed speed engine, easier to develop.

currently, what leaves the reactor is sucked in thanks to the venturi effect. maybe we could reverse this system, have the main intake pipe coming from the reactor and thanks to a venturi, admit air coming from the air filter, which would allow in case of heavy load, not to suffocate engine.

it could even be coupled with a shutter controlled by the vacuum in the intake, like the vacuum outlet for the servo-brake, which will force, in the absence of load of the engine, all the intake to go through the reactor, without driver intervention:

• in the event of a heavy load, there is more (+ sign) of depression, therefore opening of the venturi and increase of the air coming from the air filter.
  
• in constant regime, closing of the venturi, and everything goes through the reactor.

on the venturi valve, a return spring with an adjustment to prevent it from opening without stopping, and a small counterweight secured to the valve so that in the event of opening, that there are no proportional oscillations and synchronized with each intake of the cylinder on which the vacuum is taken and above all avoid closing the valve when the intake is on each of the other cylinders. a kind of motion damper.

jeff

[coucou789456]

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after reflection, it would be desirable for the reactor to be optimized for an engine rotation of around 2000 rpm, which roughly corresponds to the cruising speed of a car on the road.

for higher speeds, effectively by an air supply directly through the venturi, the efficiency of the system would be reduced.

similarly, if your routes are more self-driving, it is better to plan an optimum functioning of the reactor for a higher rotation.

nothing would prevent, if not the space available, from mounting a 2nd reactor whose triggering would be controlled by the increase in engine load.

it would perhaps be desirable to have a cavity between the reactor and the inlet to regulate the flow rate drawn into the reactor: cavity with an inlet of dimension slightly smaller than that of the outlet. this would allow a more regular operation of the reactor, almost without dead time between the different admissions. of sufficient volume, this cavity would even have enough stored mixture to provide a sudden change in engine load.

jeff

[Flytox]

Do you have any ideas, you go ahead and give us a prototype?