Testing pantone tractors spad, water doping?

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by lau » 08/02/06, 08:14

Patience, you will certainly have results, it is obligatory.
I wondered one thing: In industry, they often use dry steam obtained after heating the wet steam to use it in distillations.
Would it not be possible to create a pre-reactor to dewater the steam before it enters the main reactor? That would require to make even more tedious deviations in the exhaust but I think the idea is to dig.
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by bolt » 08/02/06, 22:56

hello, lau

Apparently, as I understand it, André has already suggested that the steam should not be too dry,
that it must be micro droplets even if they must be tiny

I do not know, but when we do tests what actually happens, fog or dry steam at the reactor inlet?
How to know ?

If you want to be sure to pass dry steam it is necessary that the tube around the stem is longer upstream of it
The wet steam may arrive dry when approaching the stem

the question is: can dry vapor molecules, which are already separated from one another, be ionized, or cracked by friction in the reactor? maybe they do not have to move away from each other with the rise in temperature

or in the micro water droplets, heated very brutally, the molecules separate so brutally, like a pressure cooker that would explode, but in an overheated atmosphere

two molecules that separate then, in the sense of the length of the reactor would have no effect
but if they separate in the radial direction from the reactor, then they ricochet between the stem and the tube with such violence that could well happen things

Imagine ping pong balls
a ball = H2O

Dry steam: we have the balls that are separated from each other obligatorily (at a distance that increases proportionally with the temperature)

we blow a volume of these balls in a narrow place
they only move away from each other if we assume the rise in temperature

Wet steam: we have small packs of balls

we blow ...
Arriving in the corridor, explosion of small packets in all directions

with the speed, the balls that go (after explosion) from one wall to another rub it like with matches, they maybe light up like them, who knows, by making ions

(who does not dream depresses)

Can we imagine this difference between dry and wet steam?

Pure speculation, but hey, when we try to find a logic

The debate is open

(to everybody)

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by Other » 09/02/06, 06:34

Hello,
I still have a language problem with the terms vapor
whether dry or wet,
I will use a more simplistic term, for it works it takes micoscopic droplets made cold or at least well below 100c. In simpler language do the same thing that trees do with the water it pumps into the ground, it makes cold steam, the leaf would be better than a bubbler!
If you heat up the air or water too much before entering the reactor
it does not work.
If you send too much water and air into the reactor and you cool it too much it does not work.
If you put a long rod (12 inches) it can be very hot at the exit and be wet at the entrance, and when it is wet it does not work anymore. (although the length of the rod does not have a great influence on the reactor's progress)
After testing it is found that what enters the reactor must be moist air well below 100c.
Few manufacturers measure the temperature of the steam coming out of the bubbler, this is between 60c and 70c, measured tonight by rolling at 100kmh outside temperature -11 (the figures can be distorted, because of the cold air circulating on the top of the bubbler which is not isolated).
Some measure the temperature of the water in the bubbler, I guess it must be the same values.

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by laurents » 17/02/06, 10:41

Hello, your meter is very rustic! For our tests we have 1 cm3 induction flowmeters connected to a software that simply measures the difference between the filter outlet and the return to the tank. This information is taken in real time to the control of the power bench and allow us to instantly calculate the conso spe, because we must not forget that on a tractor (regulation all speeds of ppe) it is with CURVES SPECIFIC ISO-CONSUMPTION that you have to work. Thus, we can determine in which areas, which loads and which regimes results are obtained. (Personally, I'm doing my surveys)
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by lau » 17/02/06, 11:21

how much savings do you make at home with the pantone?
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by bolt » 17/02/06, 11:45

Hello Laurents

laurents wrote:Hello, your meter is very rustic! For our tests we have 1 cm3 induction flowmeters connected to a software that simply measures the difference between the filter outlet and the return to the tank. This information is taken in real time to the control of the power bench and allow us to instantly calculate the conso spe, because we must not forget that on a tractor (regulation all speeds of ppe) it is with CURVES SPECIFIC ISO-CONSUMPTION that you have to work. Thus, we can determine in which areas, which loads and which regimes results are obtained. (Personally, I'm doing my surveys)


I suppose you were talking about the above mentioned measuring device
it's true that he dates

I would like to have some doc on your induction meters,
how much does it cost, who market them

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