Testing pantone tractors spad, water doping?

[Christophe]

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[bolt]

Hello !

In the subject "experiments of the pantone", I see that there are many unsuccessful or insignificant tests from the point of view of consumption or power whereas according to the site information as the man system would start after a few minutes (from that it is hot), would have 30% more power and the consumption would be divided by five (tractor n ° 22, according to its last known transformations)

Do you feel that something has escaped you during your editing and having experienced the system you still think possible such performances?


see you
Boulon

[lau]

I think you meant 30% savings and Pollution divided by 5 ..

[bolt]

I reread the site with the example of tractor # 22 and I actually made a mistake. This is not 30% more horsepower but 30 horsepower more than the 95 starting. What makes 125 horses total.
Without the system he was doing 95 horses and was consuming 21 L from GO on time (which makes 0,221L GO / horse). Now it has a power of 125 horses and consumes only 5 L of GO + 10 L water (which makes a consumption of 0,04 L GO / horse).
So: less consumption compared to the work done: 0,221 / 0,04 = 5,525 times less consumption. (That's why I asked you the previous question:

Do you feel that something has escaped you during your editing and having experienced the system you still think possible such performances?

[Other]

Hello Bolt
Do not compare tractors and cars, try to walk with a tractor in town or on a country road and measure the performance of the panton you will see that it is not much different than on a car.
When we drive at high speed on the road or with a trailer, we are getting closer to the tractors, but who of us uses his car only on long journeys of several hours and in heavy load.
When we talk about increasing the power of 30% it is not with a plow that it is measured it is on a bench, or with the rigor with an electric generator at the end of the engine.
When it comes to consumption, I know it, it takes all the rigor to measure, nothing but the consumption of water, we add and it ends up by almost, the farmer often filled with tank, and consumption before panton well sometimes I have not been thoroughly verified, I understand them well, I find it sometimes demanding that it is a laboratory job and they have other worries on the ground.
It remains that the results are there, with a self I have not managed to exceed the 28% of saving with all the errors of measures that it entails, to make very precise measurements one leaves that to the test bench of the big ones engine builders.
When al, torque increase it is felt on the accelerator particularly with a trailer loaded back, but the quantified is the pifometer
Driving in town is almost nil, or at least it holds a clean engine candle and oil, but it is not less than without panton.
Do not think that DIYers on cars do not make good montages, there are some montages of all beauty, while TIG welded stainless steel that exceeds by far certain assembly of tractors.

Andre

[jp33]

Bjr bolt,
Several posts that speak of the same subject, QQpart, that makes me uncomfortable because of wasted time, especially since they were created by the same person.
As André says well, it's more obvious on big bourins and I do not hear many people here talking about his experiments on tractor,
that's why at the beginning of the post, I refer you to a man.
Will read some advice below
https://www.econologie.com/forums/tracteur-p ... t1028.html

I do not have a tractor, but if it was the case and it interests me hard,
I would certainly try to get closer to quantum, ask them my questions and try to see tests.
Good luck!

[bolt]

Hello

jp33 adit

I do not have a tractor, but if it was the case and it interests me hard,
I would certainly try to get closer to quantum, ask them my questions and try to see tests.

I did tests of tractors with a G-system pantome, but unfortunately, I did not feel or saw anything spectacular or minimal.
Even if André says that people do not have specific devices to test their own tractor, to reduce the consumption by 5.5 compared to the work carried out, supposing that they have errors of apreciations they still saw something of spectacular

But apparently there are many failures, even on tractors that have strong and continuous loads compared to André's car for example

bolt

[Other]

Hello Bolt
You should talk to us a little more tests and tests, even if it's not famous, it's always interesting to listen to the experiences of others, it's the only way to improve, and to be constructive for the forum...
When editing that reduces consumption by 5,5 it must be the only one that has managed to reach such big numbers, or he found a miracle recipe or his tractor consumed abnormally before the test, with all the figures given by the others it is from 25% to 50%, most often speaks of 30%. the montages differ somewhat but the principle is always the same.
In other words it means that a Jetta that consumes 6,5 liter 100km with this system will make 1,2 liters 100km?
it exceeds the heat energy of the fuel ...
When I get to 50% en route and 30% city I would be very happy with the editing. In the meantime, it goes below 30% and not in a regular way, and I spend a lot of energy, to find out why it does not work continuously.

Andre

[bolt]

Hello
my question could be asked differently:
do a survey for who believes if it's possible to have such performance, but only for those who have built and experienced the G system

André said:

Hello Bolt
Do not compare tractors and cars, try to walk with a tractor in town or on a country road and measure the performance of the panton you will see that it is not much different than on a car.
When we drive at high speed on the road or with a trailer, we are getting closer to the tractors, but who of us uses his car only on long journeys of several hours and in heavy load.
When we talk about increasing the power of 30% it is not with a plow that it is measured it is on a bench, or with the rigor with an electric generator at the end of the engine.
When it comes to consumption, I know it, it takes all the rigor to measure, nothing but the consumption of water, we add and it ends up by almost, the farmer often filled with tank, and consumption before panton well sometimes I have not been thoroughly verified, I understand them well, I find it sometimes demanding that it is a laboratory job and they have other worries on the ground.
It remains that the results are there, with a self I have not managed to exceed the 28% of saving with all the errors of measures that it entails, to make very precise measurements one leaves that to the test bench of the big ones engine builders.
When al, torque increase it is felt on the accelerator particularly with a trailer loaded back, but the quantified is the pifometer
Driving in the city is almost nil

Andre

I agree with you for the difference between cars and tractors, but tell me:
admit that your car is always in the conditions you felt the best: to be precise: you are alone on a highway, you drive at the speed of optimization of the pantone 'reaction with a good bridge ratio without decelerating to not not get the reaction, so you have the right operating temperature

Compared to what you know: how much would you estimate the performance gain.
If you say that you would be happy with a report 2 (me too for that matter), I point out that it is also 5.5 for tractor No. 22 (it leaves to think)

As for experiments:
On my tractor I first put a double reactor in the exhaust: iron rod 140 mm x 15 in tube 21.3 x 1.6;
bubbler heated by exhaust gas manually controlled by a valve 3 path
I then put a single reactor vertically:
iron rod 305 x 15 in stainless steel tube 21.3 x 1.6
then 21.3 x 16 iron tube inside with iron rod 305 x 13.5
then stainless steel tube 21.3 x 16.1 int with iron rod 305 x 13.5 (esp 1.3 mm approx)
then stub 305 x 14 (space 1 mm env)
then stub 305 x 12 (space 2 mm env)
then shorter stem
the stems change color each time
entry of the reactor without change then a few cm further it becomes orange, reddish, purple, as we advance
then towards the middle of the stem it becomes polished metal color like the beginning of the stem and even further it comes back slightly blue
Depending on the stems used there are remarks to make but it will be too long for this message

to more bolt

[Other]

Hello, bolt
To make a survey to find out who believes or who does not believe, will not bring us anything constructive,
The only thing I know is that there is an improvement with
the water (otherwise it's been a long time since I've moved on to something else) what is breaking me is improving the system and making it work in a simple and efficient way on all diets and all outside temperatures, I live 6 cold months.
The tractor 22 is not a religion, whether I believe it or not it does not matter, my goal and seek the best relief, with the knowledge that we can exchange,
This may say that Mr. G knows something that we do not know and that there are others who also have individual knowledge, I could also do like them, do not write on the forum and just come to consult. I think there are a lot of things going on, and it's worth giving advice. Some new ones will become experts ...

If you want my numbers that are not repetitive because of the winter
and many midifications
For the Mercedes diesel 300 Turbo diesel 5 cylinders, 3 liters, diesel
675 km 45,3 liters to 110kmh highway in summer is 6,7 liter to 100km without 9 reactor has 8,4 liter in my best at 100kmh (it is an automatic transmission ..)

For the Chevrolet engine V6 3,3 liters consomation front panton 12,2 liters.
With panton 8,6 liters at 100km while driving at 100kmh, on this vehicle the panton performs better when I attach a trailer
with 2 cubic meters of earth, or at least the comparison is much more interesting.
For your experiments stop putting all your energy on the reactor and on the rods, and concentrate on the bubbler or the kind of steam that you make enters the reactor.
In my case never the stem became blue, on a diesel with water dopade?
On 100% panton petrol engine, it becomes blue in 30 minutes of operation but in water doping it becomes whitish like a candle.

Andre