SNCF: water doping diesel locomotives

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by Capt_Maloche » 01/09/09, 12:21

Hello everyone

I come to this subject, and I think it would be a damn good idea to deal with large displacements

target that, it was at the end of July in Corsica ...
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as a reminder on water doping:
Capt_Maloche wrote:WATER VAPOR INJECTION, WHY IT WORKS!

Description: GO's perfect combustion reaction (nitrogen is not present)
C2H16 34 + = 49 2 O32 CO2 + 34 H2O

adding water vapor first (Important) of the combustion cycle spectacular pollution

in fact it is these two arch-known reactions that explain these results:
H2O + C = CO + H2 : the incandescent soot particles (the "bad burns") react with the water vapor, this requires a temperature above 950 ° C and if possible below 1300 ° C, hence the difficulties encountered by our amateur testers on all these systems

CO + H2O <> CO2 + H2 : CO from the first reaction and imperfect combustion reacts with steam to supply hydrogen; as the T ° must be greater than 950 ° C otherwise there will be excess CO

H2+2O2<>2H2O The hydrogen produced by the first two reactions contributes to the destruction of the unburnt, to maintain the explosion longer and thus to increase the yield.

Basically, unburned are converted into energy before becoming :D


topic : https://www.econologie.com/forums/injection- ... t8180.html
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by renaud67 » 01/09/09, 14:34

it's not going to be easy for testing! : Shock:
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by Macro » 01/09/09, 14:38

For the TCB we will have to find a stock of parachutes : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 01/09/09, 14:46

Hihih TCB becomes the TPB White Parachute Test!

Clarification on what I read above: a road or rail diesel engine cannot run on heavy fuel oil. On the other hand, the liners (depending on their engine: slow diesel or turbine) can turn heavy, hence, perhaps, the fumes that we see on Maloche's photo (I think it is heavy there).

Otherwise there are not really anti pollution standards in marine engines ...

The potential for pollution control on this type of engine is therefore immense!

"Wet combustion" tests have been carried out by Canadian universities in this field, for example:

https://www.econologie.com/systeme-d-emu ... es-36.html
http://www.etc-cte.ec.gc.ca/organizatio ... ion_f.html

What are the builders doing? What are universities doing? :|
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by Macro » 01/09/09, 14:51

Christophe wrote:Clarification on what I read above: a road or rail diesel engine cannot run on heavy fuel oil.


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by Capt_Maloche » 01/09/09, 14:56

renaud67 wrote:it's not going to be easy for testing! : Shock:


You laugh, the bigger it is, the simpler it is !! :D
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by Macro » 01/09/09, 15:00

And then even at 0.5% savings the results are quantifiable in hectoliters ...
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by Christophe » 01/09/09, 15:07

Capt_Maloche wrote:You laugh, the bigger it is, the simpler it is !! :D


Not sure ... must be brought in by someone ... : Mrgreen:

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by renaud67 » 01/09/09, 15:10

Capt_Maloche wrote:
renaud67 wrote:it's not going to be easy for testing! : Shock:


You laugh, the bigger it is, the simpler it is !! :D

no I was thinking more about finding an engine available for testing, I have no doubt as to the result.
You should ask the corsica ferries to lend you a ship : Mrgreen:
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by Macro » 01/09/09, 15:10

Especially in terms of marine mechanics Corsica continent ... A ship in the harbor ... And you have all the Corsican Mafia on your back ... Above all, do not deprive them of their main source of income ... Tourists
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