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by abyssin3 » 15/10/06, 14:56

But there is one thing that annoys me above all the inside is that if major manufacturers are a pantone (in the process BMW has already developed a remake of doping water that will be on sale in ~ 2030), they will voluntarily curb it to match other technologies for sale (like the hybrid for example) and not break the market. Moreover, the doping of BMW is only 15% on paper, so 10% in reality.

And because of this they will say that it was technically impossible to do better and that therefore the 30% that we regularly observe were "measurement errors", and everyone will stupidly agree as when some say: "c 'is well known, the HBV breakage the engines. ”Whereas with the means they have, he could probably exceed that 30%, at least reach them.

It reminds me of the operators of mobile telephony in France who had agreed informally not to fall below a certain rate per minute for all subscribers PAY they are at pierre, paul or jacques!

It is also a safe bet that this system will be installed on 3L gasoline-chased cars with capacity ... The small displacements being postponed (like the airbag, the hybrid and the ABS), when we have the oceans that will tickle our toes ...
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by lio74 » 15/10/06, 15:27

Hi everybody! :D
I'm doing my little weekly reader session on the forum
(strongly that I find the net at home ... : Lol: )

reading all this I am quite surprised!

should we be pleased that an industrialist or a bunch of researchers is interested in pantone ???
very controversial answer ... and quite well developed on the previous pages!

elephant wrote:as long as we do not understand this thing, we will not be able to really improve it, nor conceive a simpler thing or with electronic regulation


it is sure the world would like to have measures and characterize this thing, instead of having too random results depending on the engine and its assembly of pipes!
but this offer is not clear ... from my point of view and that of other members apparently!

Andre wrote:I do not think the pros need our fixtures, they have made the most beautiful we .. and probably they are also
maxed out at 28% and 30% .. and he may know why.
It is not necessary to have any illusion on the capacity of the big centers of research, they have means, resources which we small handyman are far from imagining ..

There is no photo on the balance of power between the means of a lab and a lambda individual who tinkers in his garage. In addition if you do a thesis, it is not public before 3 years and it is not sure that it is published and presented as public interest for the quality of the air .... : Lol: : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
in my opinion, this research group just needs different existing montages not to do a battery of tests and hit the knot as soon as possible! : Lol:

Pitmix wrote:Even if you do studies that take time why not do the editing yourself on the 206.
The majority of people here on the forum have a job or live too far away, so not necessarily a lot of free time.
It is you who found this opportunity, thank you for thinking of others, but as they say "we are never better served than by ourselves".

it's clear and well said ... and it's representative of the spirit of forum! and yes, there is all that is needed to get by yourself, and +, if you have a problem in your editing (PoPaul) there will be a multitude of passionate to answer you! :|

myself who am very interested in this phenomenon I still have not done my editing but the time will come ... for now I am in technological watch and I try to mount my instrumented bench project.
This project looks really interesting but it is mostly researchers who are interested in volunteering and 5 years of experience on the subject !! :?

and to quote PLUESY: if there is a guy who puts rounds to finance this is because he expects results very fruitful and fast, for his one and only interest, otherwise it would have already manifested on the forum!

PS: I know that the message is dense, but it is the result of a deprivation of daily reader of forum...

good reading and good Sunday to all !!! :D
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by lio74 » 15/10/06, 15:35

abyssin3 wrote:.......................

It is also a safe bet that this system will be installed on 3L gasoline-chased cars with capacity ... The small displacements being postponed (like the airbag, the hybrid and the ABS), when we have the oceans that will tickle our toes ...


to ben you, as by chance it will be installed on the big 4x4 bobos parigos that feed on 100% bio and who are crunching ecologists !!! : Evil:
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by Christophe » 15/10/06, 15:46

lio74 wrote:This project looks really interesting but it is mostly researchers who are interested in volunteering and 5 years of experience on the subject !! :?


They call me ? : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

lio74 wrote:and to quote PLUESY: if there is a guy who puts rounds to finance this is because he expects results very fruitful and fast, for his one and only interest, otherwise it would have already manifested on the forum!


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lio74 wrote:bobos parigos that feed on 100% bio and who are crocodile ecologists !!! : Evil:


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by popaul » 15/10/06, 16:49

a lot of answers ....
I want to clarify that it is not a question of private but of "public" research. So all your debates on the pantone position (private or public) is irrelevant.

When I put documenting on this forum I had been told that there was no research and that was what was missing. I propose to do it.

Indeed, there is no status for a person who would have planned to see. What comes out will be completely public. But this debate is far too premature: first, someone (or more people) will commit, and then we will see these (this) person (s).

After as I already said before it's up to you to see

With that, the motivated and motivated people contact me.

Thank you
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by Woodcutter » 15/10/06, 16:58

abyssin3 wrote:But there is one thing that annoys me above all the inside is that if major manufacturers are a pantone (in the process BMW has already developed a remake of doping water that will be on sale in ~ 2030) [...]
Here then ? : roll: And where does that come from?

You would not confuse with the Turbo-Steamer by chance?


lio74 wrote:[...] parigos sores who feed on 100% bio and who are crocodile ecologists !!! : Evil:
"grow"? of the verb "to cross"? : Lol:

Is organic eating reprehensible? Be careful not to mix everything ...


Finally, I find it rather serious to make a trial of intent to Popaul without even knowing what he can really bring ...
This kind of reaction is not at all in the sense of recognizing the seriousness of a site like econology ...

Personally, the Pantone does not connect at all, but if I had the opportunity to do or participate in measures, I think would do ...
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by PITMIX » 15/10/06, 17:24

I agree with you Bucheron.
I too would be ready to make the reactor for the 206.
The problem is that I am not competent enough. I do not have good results. And whether I like it or not I can not embark on the realization of a montage for tests as serious as that without having already obtained satisfactory results for me.
Other people than me are able to make reactors that work and even install on other vehicles.
These people are apt to respond to this project.
There is nothing more to expect from this project than to really know what brings a Pantone reactor to a car with numbers to support it. He's just missing a guy to do the editing.
The people who go to the bench are not automotive professionals, they are simply able to pass test batteries to 206 engines.
That's ok Popaul ??
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by Other » 15/10/06, 17:43

Hello

On 2889 menbres how many did a panton? how many have a current opreation? how many are there who still comunicates on the forum ? can be a decade ..
So it's not difficult for Popol to trace those who have montages. it counts with both hands ..
Whether he makes a plan or an editing project, we will answer him on the forum and in this way we will benefit others, even those who do nothing but read. There is just a statistic to visit or download some files to see what is being watched ..
We must also ask ourselves the question why some who have fixtures (who works) withdraws from forum , or at least visit but no water at the mill ...
Montages on when we see from time to time particularly fresh montages made, he described in detail, but the consumption tests will follow ..
several have sent me e-mail to improve their editing, but have said that the expectations are not the one who wanted, the main problem is users, mixed driving and especially small city trips, usually it takes 15 day to empty a resevoir, so difficult to measure in these conditions
It's true that the forum is dedicated to econology and the topics are varied is interesting, if there was just the panton long ago that the forum would be exhausted.
There just have to go on other forum to see how it is perceived a panton! than criticism than negative ..
One thing that I understood since I was on the forum IF I exceed the 30% I will not announce it.
because it is not enough to do it once and not succeed in repeating it in all the conditions, it is there that you do not harm more to the cause ...

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by popaul » 15/10/06, 18:06

very well, thank you André ...
but that does not make the pbl go too far. IF you who know very well the forum, (or Christophe) can you tell me the people likely to be able to do such a pantone.
Thank you
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by PITMIX » 15/10/06, 18:43

I answered this question Popaul
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