Gillier-Pantone: eCOPRA kit images by COPRA

[lio74]

I had already seen photos of the kit
the only point that seems unclear to me is the reactor part

Oh, did you see where?

They use the hypnow reactor I think ...

Hi everybody,

well they probably have a partnership ... otherwise it's plagiarism ... I had the retrokit in my hands, it's the same diffuser and the same reactor see here:

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http://www.hypnow.fr/actions/retrokit-73.php

For Andre, yes it is concentric, it is more compact than the model (also effective) of Réacton Direct (Camel1) on the merco and the C15 with tube side by side (a preheater and one with reactor)

it is very close to the Chambrin ...

in any case ... BRAVO for the initiative of this SCOP ... it will accelerate the diffusion of the system and we will have more and more feedback ... and no need to be an ace of the solder there !!! it is accessible to ordinary citizens.

I say bravo knowing this :

Indeed we are in the same camp
and have not appropriated the marketing and manufacturing
but have done it.

a beautiful invention that water !! a good initiative than to share it

here is thank you so to all it is handyman researcher and student handyman who make us advance.
M Pantone M Gillier direct reaction alexandre gregoire etc ...

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[Christophe]

It's not plagia, they use hypnow reactors well ...

[Other]

Hello

For in Andre, yes it is concentric, it is more compact than the model (also effective) of Réacton Direct (Camel1) on the merco and the C15 with tube side by side (a preheater and one with reactor

)

The Camel or Cornerstone way, has the advantage of operating at low load, I do not see how the concentric assembly can be efficient thermally.
The first assembly Chambrin had this gap, the second assembly where it makes ALL the exhaust gases travel in the prechamber and clearly more advantageous.

the best way i've tried is online heat exchanger after the reactor.
Because our challenge is not to operate the reactor under high load, practically all the very rudimentary assemblies work more or less well, but it is to make the assemblies work with a low teperature 300c exhaust most of the turbo engines are a base temperature in exhaust.
In the basic principle, whatever the assembly, it is necessary to privilege the high temprature on the nose of the reactor, it is there that the heat exchange is the most important, then the rest of temperature must be used for exchanger and preparation of l humid air (what I call the anteroom)
In my small assemblies I experimented with long anterooms (twice as long as the reactor) in line with the reactor.
For dimensions, a U-shaped assembly gives the same results with a small pressure drop.
As long as you always favor the hot spring at the outlet of the reactor.
Andre

[lio74]

Hello,

Hello

For in Andre, yes it is concentric, it is more compact than the model (also effective) of Réacton Direct (Camel1) on the merco and the C15 with tube side by side (a preheater and one with reactor

)

The Camel or Cornerstone way, has the advantage of operating at low load, I do not see how the concentric assembly can be efficient thermally.
The first assembly Chambrin had this gap, the second assembly where it makes ALL the exhaust gases travel in the prechamber and clearly more advantageous.

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Andre

yes I follow your reasoning well ... but I want to say why shouldn't the high temperature be preflighted before the reactor, to properly prepare the steam
=> fewer large drops, more small drops = more contact surface favoring electrification !!

In his second assembly, finally the second wave after 1980, Chambrin passes the gases through the center of the reactor, but the concentric tubes are themselves in a large exhaust gas chamber ... so it always favors the high temperature in the center !
But beware, it does not do a pretreatment precisely, since after it uses a 24VDC candle to ionize the vapor ....

I admit, I don't quite understand your remark:

the second assembly where it makes ALL the exhaust gases travel in the prechamber and clearly more advantageous.

@ more tart!

[Other]

Hello
see the assembly Patent 75-06619
you will see that the outlet of the exhaust gases from the central exchanger passes in a U outside the colimacon. Although colimacon has a role in the process. At the output it supplies with a HT dc
like electronic air filter ionizers.

the steam before entering the reactor must not be overheated, at least in the tests that I have done, but I do not have the science infused, if others we make tests overheat that he talks about the forum that would be interesting for the continuation of the things ..
Very little gives the inlet temperatures of the humid air from the reactor?

There are different schools, some overheat before the reactor and others after the reactor.
otherwise no overheating, steam entering.

Must read between the lines
Certain announcement of reactor inlet temperature at 100c and outlet 80c, (I'm a little lost ..)
In my assemblies the humid air always enters clearly below 100c that cooled in this anteroom, sometimes 50c
according to the steam air ratio, which many neglects in their assembly.
At the outlet of the reactor it is greater than 100c more often than 130c


A lot of questions were brought to David's pages, when he clarified that in a bubbler one should not bring the water into boiling that drowns the reactor, he is right, in the case of a bubbler
but it requires reflection and after checking in certain cases the water even in boiling it works well.

It is necessary to make the difference between a boiling with weak or without passage of air in the bubbler, which feeds the reactor only in vapor, whereas a bubbler which operates at 100c with sufficient air is well functional (anyway we can't heat a bubbler above 100c while there is water in it)
The GV is an example of walking with boiling water, if you know how to dose the air with steam it works well.

Andre

[tigrou_838]

hello, just a quick technical question for the pros of this system,

there is no risk of the passage of gas being reduced too much after adding the system, therefore suffocating the engine.

from what I see it is just a cut in the pot to insert the reactor, knowing that the dimensions of the pot are provided original for a certain passage of exhaust gas.

[Christophe]

It plays but very little, proof is that the results are good (in most cases).

For example an exhaust cartridge clogged after many years will be much worse.

I'm not even talking about particle filters whose main function is precisely to clog up ...

[Christophe]

A report on the TF1 news has just passed about the COPRA water doping kit.

See here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/reportage- ... t5618.html

[eagle59]

Hello everyone
for the copra kit the site is

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www.ecopra.com

tel / 0473556170
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[Christophe]

It would be desirable that a link to econology and particularly this forum be placed on your site.

Besides Christophe has promised me for a while. I see nothing.

It can't always go in the same direction.