Doping an internal combustion engine with water vapor

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by Flytox » 01/12/15, 22:58

Weird operation ???????????????????????

At the end of the tests with steam injection, a few kilometers before arriving at my destination, I cut the power supply to the electrical box so as to "dry" the intake duct of any residual fleet to avoid possible corrosion problems. .

The normally closed valve cuts off all steam flow to the engine, ...... but the steam outlet temperature is maintained for several minutes (sometimes> 105 ° C) while at other times the temperature collapses in a few seconds !!!!! ???????????????

One wonders if the pipe between the valve outlet, the condenser pipe and the nozzle are not "partially" filled with water and release their pressure / energy even after the valve has been cut. Wouldn't it do it instantly due to the small size of the nozzle and the length / volume of the pipes?

Maybe it is necessary to put another pressure tap downstream of the valve to see the "real" which feeds the nozzle? And / or find a way to drain / separate the condensate from the steam as it passes the valve?
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by Flytox » 30/12/15, 11:33

The current water supply system (pump with sequential power supply) being really very difficult to manage .... (The water flow obtained in simulation and on the vehicle are very different / chaotic), I am trying to 'try another type of pump ("electromagnetic") in 220V alternating, the flow rate of which is supposed to be much lower and may be easier to control. This is the kind of pump mounted on coffee makers or as a smoke generator for shows.

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Between what the instructions say and what we measure .... announced for 12 liters / hour (without announcing under what conditions) .... this makes 20 liters / hour without backpressure. Zero flow around 5 bar back pressure. Between these two extremes, the "flow / backpressure" curve has a "flat" (between 1 and 2.5 bar?), Maybe is this the real zone of use?

"Weird" particularity, depending on the pipe connected at the outlet (copper or plastic) the performance changes ..... especially the maximum pressure reached which can drop from around 3 to 5 bar! The water flow being very pulsed, the small water hammers must interact with the valve which regulates the back pressure with a copper pipe whereas they must be damped by a plastic pipe !?

In short, between transforming the 12V DC into 220V AC on the car, managing the power supply sequentially, finding the "right" backpressure that allows you to control the effective water flow sent to the boiler .... not sure what to do. better than the assembly with the previous pump. : Mrgreen:

The valve "simulates" the variable pressure of the boiler.

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by simplino » 30/12/15, 13:49

This type of 12V cheap and simple, one-way, widely used laboratory peristaltic pump could pose fewer problems with more gradual flow, simple hose pressed against a rotor that makes the water move forward ?????


http://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1pc-12V-D ... 62519.html
http://shop.mchobby.be/moteur/206-pompe ... 02067.html
http://www.robotshop.com/eu/fr/pompe-pe ... icone.html

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There are infinitely many possible progressive pumps, such as:

http://www.hero.ca/automatic-colorant-d ... ancais.php
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by Flytox » 30/12/15, 23:31

Hello simplino

simplino wrote:This type of 12V cheap and simple, one-way, widely used laboratory peristaltic pump could pose fewer problems with more gradual flow, simple hose pressed against a rotor that makes the water move forward ?????
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There is an infinity of possible pumps some very progressive like ...
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We have this at work for the dosages of chemistry. Indeed, these pumps are often used as dosing pumps with very good dosing reproducibility. The low flow rates are well adapted to my use. The problem is that most of the documentations (Halibabah and the associated 40 thieves) do not talk about the maximum discharge pressure. The few times the pressure was given, it was around 0.5 at 1 bar! I need at least 4.5 bar and at best 6 bar!
As a result, I left on something else. : Cry:
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by Flytox » 31/12/15, 14:31

While waiting to find a better solution, I will do the test by inserting the valve just before the boiler (with the old pump, not the electromagnetic). With a tare (between 4 and 5 bar?). Drowning should be avoided when the boiler is not yet pressurized. : Mrgreen:

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by Flytox » 07/02/16, 23:01

The engine accelerates and idles alone in a straight line stabilized from time to time ...... There must be (still) an air inlet on the circuit of Gasoil .... grrrrrrrr. These intermittent breakdowns, it's not easy to find ......
Hard to make a conso with this thing that yoyote.
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by Flytox » 18/03/16, 21:02

Flytox wrote:The engine accelerates and idles alone in a straight line stabilized from time to time ...... There must be (still) an air inlet on the circuit of Gasoil .... grrrrrrrr. These intermittent breakdowns, it's not easy to find ......
Hard to make a conso with this thing that yoyote.


It may be even more stupid, the small bearing that supports the accelerator pedal is so worn that the axis can get slightly across. There are chances that depending on the depression of the pedal, the axis moves suddenly in its housing and changes the acceleration setpoint "on its own". : Mrgreen: The small pleasures of having an old tire is finding new failures that do not even exist in the catalog. : Mrgreen:
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by Flytox » 27/06/16, 23:09

There the "failure" is much more serious ....... :| :( :x : Cry: :frown: :?

This morning, the type of technical control that has already accepted the car by 3 times in recent years, does not want to do it this year.
Failure to correct with against visit:
"0.4.1.1.1 Engine energy: Not in accordance with the identification document (s)."
Supposedly "the regulations have become more severe since (last February?)". He didn't want to tell me what document it is!
The incriminating passage speaks of prohibition of modification and change of energy. He does not want to know anything about water being an energy ...

To remove all the system to pass the control to put it back then, it is to lose dozens of hours of work, then then it is necessary to re-reliability all the seals steam (in the kind tedious even breakage e , it's the top) ...... there you need the free time of a retiree to follow .....
Finally, short. Without technical control it is already much hotter during a check of the maréchaussée .... My adventure Gillier Pantone may well stop there after 9 years of various experiments and varied.
What am I going to do with my Dolorean? : Shock:
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by Christophe » 28/06/16, 10:59

Uh ... when you say "0.4.1.1.1 Motor energy: Not consistent with the identification document (s)." ... it is a "human" or mechanical classification (defect on the board computer) ?

There is more to hope that the industrialists do their best to help the planet, since we can not do anything by ourselves !!

Anyway, this world is no longer made for the "little ones" ... then there is more than to die, to fuck with the unemployed for life and basta !!
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by chatelot16 » 28/06/16, 17:17

first solution change of shop of technical control ... he need customer, he is not all so psychorigid!

Another thing to remember to do: get your first controller to finish his job! if he refused, he must explain clearly why in a written document that can be shown to whom it is necessary ... it is not necessary to leave him peace until he has written what is needed

example of the same kind: the technical control refuses me a vehicle because the beam of lighthouse is bad ... it is true that the parable had some stain of rust ... I change the lighthouses, and against visit, always bad and it is a device all electronic or we do not see the beam on a screen: the electronic bazr said bad but does not say why ... as I'm stubborn I change the bulb, and it becomes good: his device does not work with yellow ampole! but instead of saying bad bulb color he said bad beams ... the controller did not know this problem ... the same vehicle had already passed in the same place with its yellow lights ... but he changed his camera between time ... in this case the controller was correct and took the time to seek to understand
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