1st "big" boat equipped with water doping

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by Christophe » 06/01/10, 18:16

Capt_Maloche wrote:at the end of the video,

"80% less CO2" .... Image Image

It's a shame to tell big nonsense when the basic principle is good


Yeah ecopra do a bit of "green mixing" and in my opinion meant soot but hey ...

This report is not worth much, that of the boat is much better ... I only cited that of neuilly by "chance" and a little by "humor" (boat ... (neuilly) pleasure ...) hiihhi

Otherwise, frankly you are abusing a little in free and easy criticism ...


Greenwashing is making something green that isn't green at all! Water doping has NO greenwashing: it is efficient and econologically viable!

I don't see how turning it into a communication campaign bothers you: so much the better if the "clean" becomes a commercial argument ... as long as it is justified ... because when it is not the case it is just greenwashing!

Now instead of low polemics, I would like to know more about the technique used, because Canada is doing research in this direction, but a little, see:

https://www.econologie.com/systeme-d-emu ... es-36.html
http://www.etc-cte.ec.gc.ca/organizatio ... ion_f.html

Because if it happens, that's what is used ... which has (almost) nothing to do with "our" doping ... except in the effects of course!
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by bernardd » 06/01/10, 18:29

I remember seeing a venturi injector, which added a mist of water to the fuel. But I can't find the link.

By the way, has anyone tried to increase the level of o2 in the fuel of a petrol or diesel engine?
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by Christophe » 06/01/10, 18:46

bernardd wrote:I remember seeing a venturi injector, which added a mist of water to the fuel. But I can't find the link.


Wouldn't that be the vix by chance?
https://www.econologie.com/procede-vix-e ... -2926.html

bernardd wrote:By the way, has anyone tried to increase the level of o2 in the fuel of a petrol or diesel engine?


Yes but only in slow motion (not enough O2 ... medical : Cheesy:): the speed increases slightly and the engine is quieter. It also greatly reduces odors in the exhaust. The test was made on the ZX TD doped with profmeca: https://www.econologie.com/citroen-zx-td ... es-70.html
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by Alain G » 06/01/10, 19:01

Did67 wrote:
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Not really Greenwashing but opportunism!


OKAY.

The turbines, very good. The boats are beautiful.

But the "water engine", as it is presented, I found a little too much. This is specifically what I was aiming for.

And then finally, between your "not really greenwashing but opportunism" and my "a kind of" greenwashing "of a respectable economic activity of course", the gap is perhaps not so huge ????


The turbines are indeed good and more efficient than a propeller, the boats are beautiful but in addition are very light and very sophisticated and above all very fuel efficient which goes without saying with ecology!

We will not be able to remove boats from the water so why criticize an improvement in the energy consumed which is cut in 2 in comparison with conventional boats and more less less polluting!

I reread and not seen a water engine but a water supply system.

Obviously it affects me closely, that's why I want to correct the facts.

This company is very innovative and should be thanked for their work and not criticized!
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by bernardd » 06/01/10, 19:17

That reminds me thereof, but who is not to visit the whales. And not sure that they put water in the engines ...

But when we see a flat turn from this angle at the speed where it goes, we will have to plan the belts :-)
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by bernardd » 07/01/10, 13:07

Hello,

Christophe wrote:
bernardd wrote:I remember seeing a venturi injector, which added a mist of water to the fuel. But I can't find the link.


Wouldn't that be the vix by chance?
https://www.econologie.com/procede-vix-e ... -2926.html


It wasn't this one, but it was the idea. Is it effective compared to steam injection? Could vaporization energy play a significant role? I do not know...

Christophe wrote:
bernardd wrote:By the way, has anyone tried to increase the level of o2 in the fuel of a petrol or diesel engine?


Yes but only in slow motion (not enough O2 ... medical : Cheesy:): the speed increases slightly and the engine is quieter. It also greatly reduces odors in the exhaust. The test was made on the ZX TD doped with profmeca: https://www.econologie.com/citroen-zx-td ... es-70.html


Not found the test with oxygen :-( I am curious to test on a static generator or on a pellet boiler. I saw that there were oxygen generators with adsorption with interesting flow rates, I will ask the prices.

What flow would it take?

For heating at 120m3 / h, we would go down to 24-26m3 / h, or 433l / min. But I think that the air is in overcapacity to be sure of a good combustion, with oxygen at 90-95% , we must be able to regulate better, while almost eliminating the NOx.

what would be the flow required for a diesel generator?
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by Christophe » 07/01/10, 14:02

It seems to me that we had climbed to 25% O2 by volume ...

It was enough (largely) to have an effect on combustion ... obviously we could not measure much. It was just a try!

Do you have an url for adsorption generators?

I learned about gas permeation at the time but not about adsorption ...

Apparently we manage to separate O2 from N2 well by this method:
http://www.cfm-mb.fr/techniques/permeation.htm
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by Flytox » 07/01/10, 23:43

Hello Bernardd
bernardd wrote:
Christophe wrote:
bernardd wrote:By the way, has anyone tried to increase the level of o2 in the fuel of a petrol or diesel engine?


Yes but only in slow motion (not enough O2 ... medical : Cheesy:): the speed increases slightly and the engine is quieter. It also greatly reduces odors in the exhaust. The test was made on the ZX TD doped with profmeca: https://www.econologie.com/citroen-zx-td ... es-70.html


Not found the test with oxygen :-( I am curious to test on a static generator or on a pellet boiler. I saw that there were oxygen generators with adsorption with interesting flow rates, I will ask the prices.

What flow would it take?

For heating at 120m3 / h, we would go down to 24-26m3 / h, or 433l / min. But I think that the air is in overcapacity to be sure of a good combustion, with oxygen at 90-95% , we have to be able to regulate better, while almost eliminating NOx.


Increase the proportion of oxygen that is done in dragster (or Mad max : Mrgreen: ) with Nitrous Oxide. The molecule breaks with compression, releasing its oxygen. There is an increase in the amount of oxygen available, so we can increase the amount of fuel and the horses in a mess ....

NOx side, I understood exactly the opposite, when we increase the proportion of O2 we increase the NOx :frown: The principle of EGR is also to deplete Oxygen to limit the combustion temperature and therefore the NOx.
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by Did67 » 08/01/10, 07:17

Alain G wrote:
I reread and not seen a water engine but a water supply system.



Just for accuracy: it's in the first 5 seconds of the video. It is well "water engine" (not on the prospectus, nor the press article) ...
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by Did67 » 08/01/10, 07:29

Christophe wrote:
Greenwashing is making something green that isn't green at all!



You are right. Etymologically speaking, no doubt.

So I used it a little wrong ... Qualified however by the fact that I wrote "a kind of greenwashing" (which shows that intuitively, the term did not entirely please me either).

In fact, now that you got me thinking, it's "greenpainting" that I thought. A layer of green, on something which is undoubtedly much better than what is usually done (I am willing to believe Alain G), so that it shows!

Now, I continue to doubt the 80% reduction in CO² or the 30% reduction in consumption due to the effect of water doping. And I say, video is cinema (in the sense of staging).

I'm not saying I'm right. I say I doubt.

The rest I like too (turbine, aluminum, look, etc ...).

Why shouldn't we criticize? There was a thread on the Prius, with some reviews among the posts. On many other things, which have positive aspects but are not "fully validated". Hey, photovoltaic, CESI, pellets, etc?
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