Why not vegetable oil and pantone?

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by Other » 30/06/07, 02:08

Hello
Does anyone have it, or is it possible to run the assembly above with oil? oil + water
Because it's the editing that I tried to do without result. Even when heating the oil has more than 100 degrees


If you want to operate a bulor with oil, it will have to heat it much more than 100c, rather close to 200c
whatever the liquid used in a bubbler you have to heat it close to its boiling point. for the oil has its point of illumination.
A mower with a panton works well with an oil blower, provided that you have an auxiliary heating to heat the oil, the heat of the exhaust is not sufficient to maintain an adequate temperature in the bubbler .
The engine runs without smoke the candle stays clean, you are limited on the power, unless you warm the oil to its point of inflammation with a blowtorch
(Watch out for burning oil from the bubbler air inlet tube, bend it down, especially when the engine stops.)

With experience you will realize that the engine consumes the volatile parts of the oil, in the end the engine has difficulty turning and there is a fat product in the bottom of the bubbler rather black caused significant heating. .
If you add water vapor in the same reactor you are limited to a small amount, under penalty of cooling the reactor.
(in my tests the vapor was produced by an adjustable ultrasound in flow)

I wanted to check the hydrogen production of the process
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Say that what comes out of the reactor is a gas with a very high hydrogen content? many say it, but I do not know how much we see, so what comes out of the reactor personally I do not know what it is, probably the same product that has entered but (refined) especially if we talk about doping a water, I would not be surprised that if we condense what comes out of the reactor, we give back water.

The reactor was directly screwed in place of the mower's exhaust pipe to heat it to at least 800 degrees


I have never measured more than 720c on a small motor even by forcing it, measured at thermocouple type K in a monel probe.

Andre
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crispus
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by crispus » 30/06/07, 13:19

Hello,

I thought Andre was going to take this detail but it surprises me:
moimanu wrote:1l of gasoline + 6l of water and I got an orange flame of 15 cm for hours without much difference cold or brullant reactor.


It takes a significant amount of energy to heat such a volume of water. I read that the heater was electric, but still ...

Personally I quickly saw the limits of an electric bubbler when I tried to heat 125 ml of water in a jar with 2 series preheating resistors (120W): the ambient air (15 to 20 ° C) cooled the bubbler on the way, and it was necessary to roll 15 km to finally produce a steam that could be used by the reactor ...

Another observation: once the reactor "hooked up", I have the impression that the pressure drop decreased there, which means that the air flow increased and cooled the bubbler again.

So the positive effect of water doping on my car lasted less than a minute every 1 / 4 hour ...
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by lizard31820 » 18/08/07, 21:08

I made myself exactly the same reflection, why not associate Pantone and vegetable oil. Your system does not work because HV is much more difficult to evaporate than gasoline or GO. A temperature much higher than 90 ° C is required. The system will be more difficult to develop. Nevertheless, I am embarking on this project. I have a little experience because I already realized a boiler burner using HV.
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by yourtattak » 22/05/08, 18:24

Hello,

sorry to put together an "old" subject but it seems to me possible to associate a 100% pantone assembly and vegetable oil if instead of trying to bubble the oil it is vaporized with a carburetor before going into the reactor. In this case it is no longer necessary to heat it to a high temperature but just to bring it closer to the characteristics of diesel since the latter has already been used in similar assemblies. In this case, why not just heat it up before (or in) the carburetor to make it more fluid and avoid cooling the reactor.

I am new to this forum but I'm starting to read a lot of pages on the subject. I'm interested and I'm getting back into a car (my first) and I count the modified : Cheesy: .
It's a super 5 gasoline and I think about a double carburetor + reactor, one for water and one for fuel (gasoline or oil or ???) that will be adjusted according to the fuel used (just for the first test the essence will be used and if it works properly why not test with something else ??), the advantage of parallel editing will, it seems to me, to be able to adjust the proportion, or shutter, one of the two)

here and see you soon
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