Video: Gillier-Pantone engine (vulcano) on trawler

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by the middle » 08/03/08, 15:30

never seen an airplane engine get upset when it comes in a cloud of white cotton wool
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by Chatham » 08/03/08, 22:43

Andre wrote:Those who think that just make the engine swallow the humid air it tries (I've never seen a plane engine get upset when it comes in a cloud of white cotton ..


Yes of course, on plane it is comparable also to regime and even propeller, not on auto because there are too many variables ...
question of nervousness : Lol: indeed when we enter a cloud (prohibited VFR!) the carb has a tendency to ... frost, and the engine to rest : Mrgreen:
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by Other » 08/03/08, 22:58

Hello
Energetic question indeed when we enter a cloud (prohibited VFR!) the fuel tends to ... frost, and the engine to rest

The Continental c-65 C85 c90 O-200 is all frosty in addition to 2000 hours with Lycoming never frosted even sometimes I do not pull on the carb heat.
the clouds, it's another story, to circumvent the regulations to survive when it is a necessity and preferable that to be planted following the regulations.
Normally a well-tuned plane flies alone, if you loose everything .. Let it go it will cross ..

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by Chatham » 09/03/08, 11:11

Andre wrote:the clouds, it's another story, to circumvent the regulations to survive when it is a necessity and preferable that to be planted following the regulations.
Normally a well-tuned plane flies alone, if you loose everything .. Let it go it will cross ..

Andre


As a great French navigator with a sharp verb, in this case Marcel Bardiaux, said, "I prefer to live and survive in violation rather than to die in order" (about the compulsory survival boats in France but useless on his ultra solid boat in stainless steel, unsinkable with 18 waterproof boxes, especially since MB was penniless ...)
Hum the stability, in plane yes (especially a Cessna which is almost a flying car), in ulm on the other hand one does not go very far by releasing everything ... : Mrgreen:

When you are in icing conditions (depends on the t ° of the air crossed, the maximum is between -5 and 15 ° C to 100% hygrometry), I guarantee you that entering a cloud, without heats up very efficiently (air at 80 °), the engine will stop almost instantaneously ... and if the cloud water is supercooled, the leading edges of the wings and propeller will be loaded with ice at high speed V ...
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by Pierre-Yves » 09/03/08, 11:33

It is very much this discussion on the planes, but one is far from the trawlers of Boulogne and Vulcano system !!

I remind you that on one of the two equipped trawlers there is no energy saving and that, on the other, the announced 10% are hardly discernable of a change of behavior (when one invests in a sensible system save diesel, we pay more attention).

Vulcano = placebo ??
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by bolt » 09/03/08, 13:08

Hello

Andre wrote:I do not know Vulacano or how it is installed, just seen the box in photos from the outside, no more than quickly
Andre


well seen for the slip,


soon we will read:
I installed a
Pierre-Yves wrote:Vulcano = placebo ??


already tested here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post23574.html#23574
for Pierre-Yves, if you have not seen yet, see the file in link

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by Other » 09/03/08, 16:18

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Pierre-Yves wrote:It is very much this discussion on the planes, but one is far from the trawlers of Boulogne and Vulcano system !!

I remind you that on one of the two equipped trawlers there is no energy saving and that, on the other, the announced 10% are hardly discernable of a change of behavior (when one invests in a sensible system save diesel, we pay more attention).

Vulcano = placebo ??


What does the designer of Vulcano think of these results?
Those who walk on trawlers? what is the differrence in the editing?
It might be necessary to have an overview of the system and how it is installed
To know if the reactor is heating up?

I do not know trawlers, but I know pleasure boats with 8 GM V6 engines (gasoline carburetor)

I was also tempted to spray the engines with water
but after reviewing the architecture of échapmenents outputs, it is a waste to get heat for the reactor, almost everyone I saw had a tube cooled with water and a water injection in exhaust,
for this to be functional it would require a significant modification of the exhaust outlet for the reactor to be directly in the hot outlet, then cool the exhaust pipe in the usual way

the pipes and the exhaust in a boat are cooled with water to avoid a rise in temperature of the engine compartment, the ventilation is not enough ..

To put a syteme in these conditions is equivalent to pose a simple injection of water mist ..

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by Pierre-Yves » 09/03/08, 17:19

Andre wrote:Those who walk on trawlers? what is the differrence in the editing?
It might be necessary to have an overview of the system and how it is installed
To know if the reactor is heating up?

................................

To put a syteme in these conditions is equivalent to pose a simple injection of water mist ..

Andre


it was my initial impression. I will go see on site and I will report. On the part of the installer, it seems to me to be less light-light ...
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by crispus » 09/03/08, 20:36

For Pierre-Yves, a brief historical reminder:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/pantone-ce ... t1775.html

A revolutionary disposition that deserved a patent!
http://eco2sphere.free.fr/images/schema.jpg

And finally, clear and verifiable scientific explanations:
This device using sound and resonance allows the water and air to produce a gas better known as sonoluminescence. It promotes the development of a premise of ionic gas.

The ionic gas treated endothermically and magnetically associated with the Venturi effect, is transformed into a much more fluid gas that boosts the engine and thus makes it possible to obtain optimum efficiency.


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by Pierre-Yves » 09/03/08, 22:15

Crispus wrote:And finally, clear and verifiable scientific explanations:
This device using sound and resonance allows the water and air to produce a gas better known as sonoluminescence. It promotes the development of a premise of ionic gas.

The ionic gas treated endothermically and magnetically associated with the Venturi effect, is transformed into a much more fluid gas that boosts the engine and thus makes it possible to obtain optimum efficiency.


I am totally amazed by so much Science !! As he is doing this Mr. Albertix !! Or, he invented a generator of sentences randomly picking words from a scientific dictionary ...

I do not dare to imagine this generator using his words in a political dictionary ... How? It's already done ?
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