The bubbler on automobile

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by zac » 12/12/05, 14:40

"I think I will redo my pantone this winter without inflating the tube and I hope to win in conso"

Hello
never inflate the tube :x if you have 45mm int. nothing if it's 49mm int. or more reduced a little, all the times where I enlarge the echapemment it did not walk or very badly.
Why? I do not know but probably the restriction increases the temperature and / or the magnetic field effect !!! : Lol:
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by Asgard bone tyr » 13/12/05, 14:53

Hello
Being welder training, I tell you, the top is welding tig, I weld steel, aluminum and stainless steel thin or thick sheet.
To the bow to have a good quality of welding and waterproof it is rather metoise and on thin sheet is pretty galley.
For the capacity of the bubbler, it does not matter, what matters is the origin of the heat source and the draw (often it is the problem of the prototypes, it works not for lack of draw)
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by lau » 19/12/05, 12:01

How high should the bubbler be compared to the reactor (I have a choice)?
For your tig job, how much did you pay for it? I heard a lot about the welding of aluminum bike frames.
In the weld BTP or agricultural it is the mig with filled sticks which predominates and the bow when one wants very solid on thick iron, what do you think?
that is 6 years that I weld, I realized several building sites, made agricultural tools, transformations, repairs and I use most often the 2,5; 3,2 and occasionally the 4; for some applications the stainless steel rod or those reloading ... by cons for iron below 2mm I am lost! in September I bought a spot welder to renovate but I'm not too happy ..
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by Other » 20/12/05, 01:09

Hello ,
For TIG welding as long as you weld steel or stainless steel, it takes a normal current soldering station ground and the handle with argon, tungsten 1% thorium a sharp tip and that's it it's a good tool for DIYers.
To weld aluminum or magnesium it works a current altenatif and it takes a high frequency pilot arc to maintain the arc it is more complicated to get, although my machine is welded is of construction Home I adapt the high Frequency on this machine, and I am very satisfied, the only inconvenient must rent the argon bonbone annually 95 $
that you use it or not use it's the same price the filling is 110 $, but it's worth it, when you know how to handle this tip of tungsten, there is nothing that limits you in the weld.

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by Asgard bone tyr » 20/12/05, 13:35

HELLO
As you say, with that there are not many things that can stop us when we handle the electrode well (I can even resume a weld of mig and bow, but not torches) I invest in it out of a welder training and I feast. it is true that it costs expensive argon but the quality of welder is nickel :D
for the bubblers I use stainless steel scrap (sheets and tubes) of 2milimetreou3, it is resistant and clean
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by PITMIX » 21/12/05, 19:03

Hi Rezut nice job the bubbler of the BX but tell me it's you who did it or a pro kind turner-milling? The double walls it takes work. I can not see myself doing something like that with my flambard, a hammer and a drill ... :?
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by Other » 21/12/05, 20:56

hi Pitmix
A good bubbler when it is in operation you do not stick hand on it must be hot to size, it is not necessary to just heat the water at the bottom of the bubbler must the volume above the liquid is also hot, 80c and more, it is at these temperatures that the air is able to take more moisture, without becoming saturated
Ideally it is a bubbler half filled, water, and the bubbler in a box surrounded by engine water with good circulation, a real bain-marie to the size.
This gives the advantage of fetching heat from the antifreeze
Today's engines with an aluminum cylinder head absorb much of the heat to the detriment of that in the exhaust,
This explains why tractor engines have a warmer exhaust, most have cast iron heads.
It was customary to say that the losses were higher in the exhaust than in cooling water, but now it is no longer true especially on diesel, as evidenced by the physical dimensions of the radiators and the speed of the engine. heating.

Andre

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by lau » 22/12/05, 22:31

André, what do you think of the kit sold by soleol (at first sight)?
http://www.soleol.net/voiture.htm
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by Other » 23/12/05, 03:05

Hello,
For the kit at first seen it seems well built
the idea of ​​sending air through a fence for bubbling is good. the height of the bubbler is a little weak, but we are on a car and the place to house the bubbler is not always easy, especially it must be close to the reactor. I suppose there is a baffel in the bubbler to compensate for its low height is probably a grid in the suction tube.
We do not know the rod which length or diameter (like everyone around 150mm and 13 or 14 mm diameter weld, pointed in the reactor at one end (dilation requires)
I am not a fan of the flapper, I prefer by far a good venturi that ocassione little loss of load and greatly increased the depression, (our ancestors had included in their good old carburetors)
It is true that in a kit univesel it becomes difficult to make 36 venturi diameter model, but with a series of rings for differrent diameter it should be possible.
The holes in the perforated sheet should be more spaced, but in the trade it can be difficult to find, (I had put a thin wire mesh to make more bubbles but it tends to stick to the surface)

To say that it makes hydrogen I am far from convinced, maybe in the engine but how to verify it?
For the figures announced it is realistic, on a car the maximum figures will be more difficult to reach than on a tractor

Overall it's a nicer construction than the spad
As it is handmade and sold in small quantities a good price is difficult. I know I build airplane skis and I know the time it takes to make such a montage. Making 3000 or making 50 is not the same approach.
What is important in this kind of construction is to seek to improve the system not only to increase the ease of construction.

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by lau » 23/12/05, 15:08

thank you for your advice : Wink:
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