Pantone engine results: we are hallucinating!

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by lio74 » 08/03/07, 09:34

Christophe wrote:It was today that the Camel1 team made the 2nd pass on the bench! We look forward to hearing from you! 8)


and yes .... with great impatience ... but now we have to strip the results and not make any attractive conclusions !!!

a big moment !!

and then we will see if the reactor is useful or not ... isn't it Laurent : Cheesy: : Wink:

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by Other » 08/03/07, 15:41

Hello,
It is not to know if there is such or such gain on this engine which and can be different on a recent engine.
If that is important to know about this engine in question
since it is on a bench therefore the power and consumption measured (precise)
to know the quantity of water swallowed, the steam temperature entering and leaving the reactor.
Nothing here tells us that it is the amount of water or the precise temperature of what comes out of the reactor that makes the difference,
Probably the two most important parameters in the panton.
More important than the engine exhaust temperature, as I have always thought I operate with a hot petrol engine and a cooler diesel engine and the diesel has better efficiency.
all these details which are of great importance may require weeks of testing.
Because writing spontaneously a result if the variations are small from one test to another risk of being difficult for those who work with manipulation, example if the vapor at 80c gives X and that at 75c makes Y but very weak you have to do it again handling has 70c ect ..
until the cure fucks,
Ditto for the quantity and adjust the quantity and volume with such a system which has been designed to operate with a fairly (narrow) vapor volume which complicates the experience ...
Nothing is simple with small means
At the start before arriving on a bench you must have visible results and gently deviate from these values ​​to understand ...

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by lio74 » 08/03/07, 16:51

Andre wrote:Hello,
[...]
More important than the engine exhaust temperature, as I have always thought I operate with a hot petrol engine and a cooler diesel engine and the diesel has better efficiency.
all these details which are of great importance may require weeks of testing.
[...]
Nothing is simple with small means
[...]
Andre


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weeks ... hummm rather a few months of busy work : Shock: :? there are so many parameters to test ... more or less important, definitely, but as you say every little detail has its importance !!!!

apparently the tests would not have gone as planned ... lack of time ... but I say no more, it's not up to me to talk about it ... (there are a lot of people who must wait impatiament these results... :? : Cheesy: )
Camel1 will explain everything, when he has a moment to blow and pause his buttocks in front of the PC !!! : Lol:

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by ange » 08/03/07, 22:08

zac wrote:
bham wrote:-Are you able to explain the (significant) differences in fuel consumption between the 205 and the Mercedes? -20% for 205, up to -44% for 240 D.




it's mill generation, so are initial yield

It roughly meets the figure we had between a Mercedes van 207 (meme engine) and the clio. a good 30/100 on the prehistoric Mercos and 15 to 20/100 on the more recent 1.9.
on an hdi of 206 we gain in driving comfort and opacity but in consumption it is almost not measurable.

congratulations again for the job

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Certainly, certainly this is the case!

neanmois that there is an interesting detail that it exists seems to me
in one montage and does not exist in the other.

It's "You can also see the intake throttle, ...."
Here you are.

So the depression in the case of mercury is more important!

So the pantone hike +++

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by laurent.delaon » 18/03/07, 21:56

Hi,

Angel is right, but it is not the efficiency of the reactor that increases, but the quantity of vapor created.
The reactor is useless.
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by laurent.delaon » 18/03/07, 21:57

Hi,

Angel is right, but it is not the efficiency of the reactor that increases, but the quantity of vapor created.
The reactor is useless.
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by Other » 21/03/07, 18:56

Hello
Angel wrote:
zac wrote:
bham wrote:-Are you able to explain the (significant) differences in fuel consumption between the 205 and the Mercedes? -20% for 205, up to -44% for 240 D.




it's mill generation, so are initial yield

It roughly meets the figure we had between a Mercedes van 207 (meme engine) and the clio. a good 30/100 on the prehistoric Mercos and 15 to 20/100 on the more recent 1.9.
on an hdi of 206 we gain in driving comfort and opacity but in consumption it is almost not measurable.

congratulations again for the job

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Certainly, certainly this is the case!

neanmois that there is an interesting detail that it exists seems to me
in one montage and does not exist in the other.

It's "You can also see the intake throttle, ...."
Here you are.

So the depression in the case of mercury is more important!

So the pantone hike +++

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And that doesn't sound like a pappillon, at 120kmh? or at least it does the same thing as a half-opened pappillon

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by Flytox » 21/03/07, 20:16

Bonjour à tous

Sorry to go back, but about the acetone experienced by a number of you, where I work this product was banned for 'HSE' Health Safety Environment reasons. Clearly this product is not very pleasant for health. It is not a very ecological use it seems to me. There must certainly be less harmful equivalents.
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by Other » 21/03/07, 23:59

Hello

We have known for a long time! but it is still available in hardware stores and everywhere, it is a product used by all those who work in the resin and fiberglass.

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by camel1 » 22/03/07, 01:00

Laurent Hi!

laurent.delaon wrote:Hi,

Angel is right, but it is not the efficiency of the reactor that increases, but the quantity of vapor created.
The reactor is useless.


I see that the truce will have been short-lived. So now I tell you firmly. Fuck you. You squirt from this post. If you want to slap on the pantone, it's perfectly your right, you are free to open a subject where you can tell what you want, but you stop polluting mine.

As I already told you, for me, the question is no longer to know if the pantone gives a significant gain greater than 30%, but to SEEK to optimize it.
We are on this forum (at least for those who play the game ... : Mrgreen: ) in a cooperative approach.
We are not trying to shoot ourselves in the legs, these are childish things for which we do not have time.
We are not trying to convince people, those who do not want to participate in this beautiful modern adventure are free to do what they want ELSEWHERE!

If I summarize the essence of your 153 interventions, a large percentage revolves around your principle that steam alone is enough, and that it is useless to get bored with two scraps of scrap.
I leave you to your convictions, I return to my research!

I won't greet you anymore!

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