Pantone in the land of the rising sun?

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Alain G » 10/08/09, 18:04

pb2487

I find our Totof very patient with you, you seem a little arrogant, if you would not put a small raise, crack, challenge, call it as you want each time you answer, the world here would like you much better, your debates become boring, I read them in the dark, but this is a little too much and it becomes very annoying.

Come back down to earth and please stop taunting friends on each answer you make.

Don't take members of this forum for idiots by dotting on ends of sentence badly expressed of each speakers.

We need your experience as well as the experience of each member so I hope you understand.

No hard feelings :|
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by Christophe » 10/08/09, 18:06

Alain G wrote:I find our Totof very patient with you,


Ah ah ah this is the first time that people say that I am "patient"!
But there is some truth, I "self-moderate" in my answers ...

ps: thank you for the "helping hand" to the 2 Quebecois!
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by pb2487 » 10/08/09, 18:23

Christophe wrote:What is prohibited (morally) is the denial of the answers that bothers you ...

We totally agree

Christophe wrote:You really mix everything, I will really think that you do it on purpose ...

But what do I mix at the end? Show it rather than accuse me, don't hesitate to quote some of my previous dialog.

Christophe wrote:But it is true that your sources reek a little of the intoxicating ... at least the oriented information ... (level of the articles: "it is not me it is him", argument of CE1)

I don't know, this is information that I took at random. I'll get more if you want, that's not what's missing.

Christophe wrote:All energy companies, which are therefore strategic, originally had a large state share ... if they are not downright public!
In the end, that's good ... for the customer and security of supply ...
Maybe it's not subsidism?

That the state is a share in a society? no, it is not a subsidy towards users.
But I know very well that the oil companies are linked to their respective states:
Total to France
Petrochina in china
But then why, our it is taxed and their subsidized?

And why didn't T Edison wait for the wax and kerosene lobby to finish their cakes, to see his invention made appropriate by all kinds of profit-hungry investors?

Christophe wrote:So once again: Today it is the fault of the Chinese but we forget that we did the same (or even worse) a few decades ago ... : Evil:
There may be just the Americans who were "clean" on this point ... but I'm surely moving forward ...


One more time?? But I never said it was the Chinese's fault ??? why are you asking me there?
Wait..but who is mixing there ..?
And the Ricans? the same?

So, you believe in something that saves fuel and you don't wonder why it has never been developed for the general public?
Why then, for years, for the same category, have the engines not ceased to be more efficient and consume less?
What would work today and which would not be able to be exploited at its fair value by an investor to bring in big profits? Especially when it’s easy and there’s obvious evidence… well?
I find that there is something shocking !!! I don't see so many similar examples ... Just answer rather than throw the stone at me.
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by pb2487 » 10/08/09, 18:31

Alain G wrote:No hard feelings :|


We look forward to seeing you!
Good but still at the beginning, my question was very simple?
No?
Do you have a different answer than mine?
If that is the case. I invite you to kindly discuss it with me, I'm not stupid, I really felt that with Christophe, it was going badly, I had to leave on bad bases and formulate in an inadequate tone, I recognize it .
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by Christophe » 10/08/09, 18:39

pb2487 wrote:But then why, our it is taxed and their subsidized?


Because China is currently at the average development level of France in the 1920s and 30s... Are you starting to understand logic?

The fact that the State has a share in the oil companies indirectly subsidizes oil because oil (price, abundance ...) controls the economic growth and development of a country!

Generally the State is not very demanding in dividends, because it knows that it has more to gain from using it massively (corporate taxes, vat ...) than to tax it at source! The best for the State is to have both in modern societies, like now! And bonus on the cake: the carbon tax!

pb2487 wrote:And why didn't T Edison wait for the wax and kerosene lobby to finish their cakes, to see his invention made appropriate by all kinds of profit-hungry investors?


Edison was a mediocre experimenter who succeeded by perseverance, how many others were "taken in by the system"? ... More about the work of Tesla! He was a genius ...

Christophe wrote:One more time?? But I never said it was the Chinese's fault ??? why are you asking me there?
Wait..but who is mixing there ..?
And the Ricans? the same?


I was talking about the journalists ...

pb2487 wrote:So, you believe in something that saves fuel and you don't wonder why it has never been developed for the general public?


Are you dumb or what???

If we had not asked the question, pkoi do you think I would have written the article given above? https://www.econologie.com/industriels-e ... -3669.html

pb2487 wrote:I don't see so many similar examples ... Just answer rather than throw the stone at me.


Well, you are still a bit naive ... because if I follow you, according to you: everything that works should meet industrial success? Lost !!

The world doesn't work like that! (what is certain, on the other hand, is that what does not work does not meet industrial success ... good functioning is therefore a necessary but not sufficient condition for industrial development)

Hold a short video report to explain yourself in pictures: https://www.econologie.com/les-inventeur ... -3022.html
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by Alain G » 10/08/09, 18:40

pb2487 wrote:
Alain G wrote:No hard feelings :|


We look forward to seeing you!
Good but still at the beginning, my question was very simple?
No?
Do you have a different answer than mine?
If that is the case. I invite you to kindly discuss it with me, I'm not stupid, I really felt that with Christophe, it was going badly, I had to leave on bad bases and formulate in an inadequate tone, I recognize it .
Greetings


Here is the problem that you do not seem to understand, you relaunch the debate with each answer that you give without ever wanting to admit that you are going maybe a little strong.

I posted this in order to help you but you do not seem to understand, I invite you to read it again.

Know that I would not enter into a debate with you on any subject and because I believe that it will not be constructive but endless.

Again no hard feelings and I hope that will understand.

The thank you box

Sincerely and friendly!

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by pb2487 » 10/08/09, 18:44

Andre wrote:HelloPb2487
Tell us about your dual-fuel or single-tank oil assembly, what is the difference in 100% oil or diesel consumption (if you have trouble measuring?)
What oil heater what oil temperature
a Pollack valve for transfer?
a Facet booster pump?

My oil montage? do not understand....
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by Christophe » 10/08/09, 18:44

Alain G wrote:I think it will not be constructive but endless.


I'm (seriously) starting to believe the same ...

Now a subject lock can quickly "end an endless subject" ... : Cheesy:

But then we will still be called a "censor" ...
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by Alain G » 10/08/09, 19:00

Christophe

I am new but not really because I read this forum since its very beginnings, when I registered, I knew almost all the speakers, but I was not known so I tried to put the soft pedal, we can have spat, but the wisdom bring people back to their places, there I see only childishness: you said this; no I rather said that you misinterpreted me and it was you who did this ............................ ......

You know what I mean!

pb2487 surely has a very good quality of man and I hope that it will serve to raise the level of forum where debates are welcome, I speak of real debates, not debates on who said what or who did what.
:|

I feel like a parent talking to his children there! : Cry:
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by pb2487 » 10/08/09, 19:19

Christophe wrote:Because China is currently at the average development level of France in the 1920s and 30s... Are you starting to understand logic?

No, on the contrary, but why don't they take the water doping route, would it save them money and create jobs? The pantone system is simple.
And we, in the 20s, we didn't do that:
http://www.leparisien.fr/abo-vivremieux/decollage-reussi-de-la-fusee-longue-marche-26-09-2008-255984.php

Christophe wrote:The fact that the State has a share in the oil companies indirectly subsidizes oil because oil (price, abundance ...) controls the economic growth and development of a country!

Well

Christophe wrote:Generally the State is not very demanding in dividends, because it knows that it has more to gain from using it massively (corporate taxes, vat ...) than to tax it at source! The best for the State is to have both in modern societies, like now! And bonus on the cake: the carbon tax!

Undemanding on the dividend side? Ah well, but in France, it's still what makes 80% of the price at the pump.

Christophe wrote:Edison was a mediocre experimenter who succeeded by perseverance, how many others were "taken in by the system"? ... Rather inquire about the work of Tesla! He was a genius ...


Isn't that what I call a mediocre experimenter?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison
(just take a quick look)
And Tesla is a famous inventor and genius like Edison. What did he find useful that would not be exploited today if need be?
And what system? there, do you mean something?

Christophe wrote:If we had not asked the question, pkoi do you think I would have written the article given above?
https://www.econologie.com/industriels-e ... -3669.html

Well here it is ... we finally come. I just want to know what did you conclude?

Christophe wrote:Well, you are still a bit naive ... because if I follow you, according to you: everything that works should meet industrial success? Lost !!
The world doesn't work like that! (what is certain, on the other hand, is that what does not work does not meet industrial success ... good functioning is therefore a necessary but not sufficient condition for industrial development)


Well if. Everything that has been invented and that works today has industrial success if the need arises.
I see no counterexample. If you have any?
We have been improving the consumption of cars for many years. Why the pantone system has not contributed to it, it is not new and seems effective ...
No?
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