Pantone and acid engine?

[carburologue]

Hello

my electrical teacher tells me that he has already seen an engine running in water but he says that in the long run the acid created inside the engine would destroy it? is that true or not because i don't don't know who to believe?

[I Citro]

Most of the engines in operation are water cooled
in time (at the time of removable wet jackets), an electrolytic couple was created between the steel jacket and the engine block (cast iron or aluminum). The block corroded, the jacket went down and the engine leaked at the head gasket ...

More seriously, a water engine doesn't mean much ...
you are talking more about an engine using hydrogen produced from water.
Some processes use water with an acid or base added.
It is said that these inefficient processes do not produce much hydrogen which may send acidic vapors into the engine. These vapors combine with the aluminum in the intake and cylinder head manifolds and also generate hydrogen.

This corrosion will destroy these engine components after ... let's say ... 150km ... ??? 200 000km

Anyway we are not going to experiment on a new car but rather on something over 10 years old
devoid of shitty electronics.

[Other]

Hello,
The old Cirtoen Traction engines (black auto) had shirts at the bottom of the shirt there was a thin seal in (paper) resistant and where the two cylinders touched side by side it was very narrow, it is rare that it flowed, once well mounted there is a layer of dirt at the bottom of the barrel which is hard to scrape.
the shirts had to slightly exceed the engine block to have the full efficiency of the cylinder head gasket, sometimes we put two gaskets in the barrel at the bottom of the shirt.
Normally you only put antifreeze in the engine with demineralized water and there is little corrosion, no one works with water!
water in an engine does not corrode more than a pure alcohol engine
In an engine the combustion of fuel with oxygen releases a significant amount of water and the engine passes it regularly without counting the cubic meters of air saturated with water that it swallows on stormy days. Theorists would have to give us an overview of the water coming out through an exhaust.
A motor which is used regularly the water which passes into it does not make a great corrosion, I regularly pass suddenly with 4,5 liters and more and that made 2 years, I did not notice anything with the disassembly of the tubular admission if not what is clean
vehicle over 230km (Chevrolet lumina van)

Andre

[Christophe]

Hello

my electrical teacher tells me that he has already seen an engine running in water but he says that in the long run the acid created inside the engine would destroy it? is that true or not because i don't don't know who to believe?

I hope your teacher is better at electricity than mechanics ... because ...

Finally, what did he mean by "water engine"? Because few people have seen a "water engine" .... (apart from the hydraulics of course ...) ... If it is water doping ... there is no acid additional than in conventional operation ...

[PITMIX]

I think people of your teacher's age have heard a lot about Mr. Chambrin's engine and a lot of rumor has been around at that time.
Everyone has their own story to tell.
Even my grandparents told me about it.
"Yes the water engine existed but the guy got killed because of his invention" "It was on a DS"
This is what they told me.

[Christophe]

Lol pitmix DS ... no doubt ... We are talking about Chambrin then ... in all cases (pantone like chambrin) I do not see where acid can come from ...

Today it will be harder "to eliminate" all econologists ... unless it is the ecologists who take care of it .... I understand myself ...

[MichelM]

I rather remembered an R16 for Chambrin ...? Whatever.
For engines with wet shirts it is still relevant it seems to me in cars, less on motorcycles. In any case with a cylinder head gasket which lets a little coolant through it is true that it cleans the piston and cylinder head valves well. There are some who swallow a little water to their engine to decarbonize them, others it seems were using brake fluid !? We make them swallow a little of everything with these internal combustion engines!
Michel

[Christophe]

I rather remembered an R16 for Chambrin ...? Whatever.

Uh no you must confuse between the press review: press review on water injection in engines

and Chambrin's work, it is the hood of a DS (or not far) that we see here for example: http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid= ... 9909412804

[Other]

Hello

Exactly a DS 19 old 100mm long stroke engine
the traction block with a wonderful breech very well designed for the time,
To listen to the blah-blah of the specialist who sits on his tracks in front of the cameras, the more it changes the more it is the same, and everyone believes his words as hard as iron, Chambrin, small garage owner, and the other
doctor or whatever? titles are important for credibility. Somehow he distorted what Chambrin did and never said. his goal was to want to run the engine with a maximum of water, up to the limit just with water,
but he never said that his engine only ran on water.
With a panton you can run an engine with alcohol and 40% water difficult but feasible if the reactor is oversized for the engine, so with its assembly the figures (fite) has reality, including the temperatures that announced those who have done less assembly know that this corresponds, we also understand why it has to isolate its reactor.
with bands (of asbestos of the time)


We are a bit confused with the same mockery with our pants and looking at the assembly of camber meadows are on the same tracks except that he with his complex system had a good head start on the panton system. its system had a more efficient exchanger and it passed everything that the downstream engine.
Its system had to improve the performance of the engines probably better than our pieces of pipe, I was inspired by many details of its assembly.
We must not forget that a DS at that time consumed around 10 liters per 100 (the first injection I saw at a show in Montreal in 69 or early 70?) Hers was carburetor it was my first car I had a rarity in Quebec.
therefore even simple doping would have clearly improved the yield.
This does not explain why this man had to go abroad to hide like a thief! after the steps he took with (great) politicians. The risse of the world, the shame, of what! journalists who smear and know kidney! Well, let's see. You have to be naive to believe in the newspapers!
They write the papers of the political attachés, and the political attachés write what their boss wants him to be publicized, the populace must know that what is good for the government.

In summary for me he is a brilliant and persevering man who took a long time to develop a project. and it is particularly on his last montages that it becomes interesting. A reference for me its mounting, more than the pant ..

Andre

[renaud67]

Nice tribute from André ( a real expert ).
Some would do well to take inspiration from it (I'm talking about state laminates not people from forum)