Liquidate the legacy of Pantone engine!

[elephant]

Say, André, this Me 109, he's coming out of the factory? I did not know they were still being made .

Ming: read the forums (personally, I followed them for 2 months before doing my first post), you will see that there is food and drink and roll up your sleeves:

everyone is ready to help you and, if you find interesting things, to listen to you. But here, it's mostly people who put their hands in the grease.

And sometimes have been happy to have a helping hand from a lab (see independent testing of MGP capsules, all last pages). And you will see that we also know how to be very skeptical.

[ming]

Reply to Christophe:
The water doping is born from the observation that the cooling of an internal combustion engine allows to a certain extent to convert more energy into work and not into heat. The injection of water into the cylinder increases the pressure on the cylinder through the expansion and lowers the temperature. It's much simpler than ionization, sonoluminescence, cracking. Why so many complications? By the way, you still have not answered my questions about your report.


Reply to André:
The principle of water doping is as old as the combustion engine. It is completely reliable. I'm fighting only against the unchecked theories that are wandering in nature and doing harm.


Reply to Elephant:
I do not deny the merits of saving energy and reducing pollutants through water and DIY doping. Hat to those who help apprentice eco-tuners on this forum. But I ended up becoming extremely suspicious because I was being fooled. May be too much.


Other than that:
Science-pipo is what discredits alternatives and delays their emergence. It will be nice to criticize the big manufacturers, but in the meantime, it is them that must be convinced to make things happen. Science-pipo does not help at all.
An anecdote: One day, while talking to a guy from OSEO, when I talked about ecology, he interrupted me and said curtly: "If it's to sell solar panels and drive a 4x4, go on. your way. Tired of green pipos. " He was also had a lot.


Well there I have to let go of the computer, it urge! The presentation for later.

[Christophe]

Reply to Christophe:
The water doping is born from the observation that the cooling of an internal combustion engine allows to a certain extent to convert more energy into work and not into heat. The injection of water into the cylinder increases the pressure on the cylinder through the expansion and lowers the temperature. It's much simpler than ionization, sonoluminescence, cracking. Why so many complications? By the way, you still have not answered my questions about your report.

1 ° We explore all the tracks ...and if the explanation was so simple then is it not used by the GREAT builders? We only ask that ...

Once again you talk about things we already know, look at the P / V curves of this article and my analysis: https://www.econologie.com/makhonine-exp ... -3187.html

Then look at the date ... and yet it's still not used ... PKOI?

And yet Renault is working on water injection, see this 2005 patent:
https://www.econologie.com/brevet-renaul ... -3435.html
https://www.econologie.com/forums/brevet-d-i ... t3947.html

2 ° What do you want me to answer more than what is in the report ... Moreover it does NOT concern the injection of water on which we work ... the 100% pantone is funny but impossible to to master as an individual ... which is not the case with doping.

ps: for your presentation, in view of your site, you are far from being specialized in combustion ... but I could be wrong?

[elephant]

Dear Ming,

you said:

Reply to André:
The principle of water doping is as old as the combustion engine. It is completely reliable. I'm fighting only against the unchecked theories that are wandering in nature and doing harm.


Reply to Elephant:
I do not deny the merits of saving energy and reducing pollutants through water and DIY doping. Hat to those who help apprentice eco-tuners on this forum. But I ended up becoming extremely suspicious because I was being fooled. May be too much.

In fact, we only ask one thing: the truth, because it can help us to see further. That said, let's not forget that Zénobe Gramme, for example (yes, the brother of the godfather, godfather, godfather, godfather) was only a cabinetmaker at Christophle when he invented the dynamo. He did not even think originally about motive power applications. He gave the impetus and others were responsible for transforming the point, as in rugby.

Many experimental friends have seen things from a plumber's DIY. What do we ask from well-equipped people: to take measurements, to offer us a theory, to validate or invalidate hypotheses and as we have said "from the clash of minds the light will spring".

While apparently, tons of progress in fuel injection have significantly changed the consumption of the engines (but at what price: 1000 2000 euros for a central injection, not counting all the mechanics), but, if our small garage background crafts can save a few liters of diesel to millions of old engines that will still be in service for ages in less developed countries, we will have done our duty.

What is the demand of the people: to see the results of their attempts to come to terms with results: measurements, some equations, principles, explanations, advice.

As for "make you have":
I spent years of my life "getting caught" working like a fool in the socio-cul, the parish, the economic-social, scouting, etc ... I gained so much human wealth and recognition there. That's life: don't miss it!

[Other]

Hello

Reply to André:
The principle of water doping is as old as the combustion engine. It is completely reliable. I'm fighting only against the unchecked theories that are wandering in nature and doing harm.

You think you just taught me something

dopagea water is a big word like plug in English that includes many things ..
The injection of water into the admision of supercharged aircraft engines at F1 had a well-defined role, taking out more power.
water injection into the big boat diesel engine directly into the firebox this is something else
injection of steam into the intake of a diesel is something else

So forum some work on the injection of steam in the admission, precisely to see if the results are differrent, date, those known who want to give their results have not crossed the 30% ..

For theories I leave the care to you to explain
I do not fight with the theories, I do montages, I try and I compare (some had proposed a nickel theory, I had difficulty in finding a bareau, at the price, I tried now I know ..

To read you imagine that we make montages just to write in a forum , or we are all liars, we make water eat in our cars just to make steam in winter back, I arrive soon on 40 000 km on diesel with an average water doping 1,2 liters of water to 100km.
it's pretty thick that we install it on all our vehicles
Why ?


For the BF 109 it is an original the last one in state of flight (more now) he had problems of landing gear he is in repair ..

A real Gustav BF109:




Andre

[ming]

As for "make you have":
I spent years of my life "getting caught" working like a fool in the socio-cul, the parish, the economic-social, scouting, etc ... I gained so much human wealth and recognition there. That's life: don't miss it!

OK, thanks. do not worry, I will not leave the associative world completely.

[ming]

To read you imagine that we make montages just to write in a forum or we are all liars, we make water eat in our cars just to make steam in winter back

if I gave that impression, I apologize for it.

I know that I'm not dealing with a community of tuners drifting on the roundabouts and who would find great the idea of ​​having engines boosted to the fleet.

[Christophe]

who would think it was great to have engines boosted to the fleet.

They could do it ... just want to ...

Similarly in rally but there the regulations prohibit quite a lot of things ...

[Former Oceano]

The pantone motor does not exist.
The pantone motor yes.
The pantone device is there to pre-treat the fuel to improve combustion.
How? Different options including radical reactions that will produce shorter carbon chains by electronic rearrangement, ketones, aldehydes and alcohols.
There are 2 types of devices, steam generators and pantone type pre-treatment device.
Anyway, it does not work, because all those who made it saved on average 25% of fuel, the vehicles passed the antipollution tests (but the Control Centers are not scientific laboratories), and the manufacturers do not care, the proof the 1er French manufacturer has not filed a patent on this type of device ...
[HUMOR MODE ON]
It is not because we are called Ming that we must believe that everything is vase (ux)

[Christophe]

proof the 1er French manufacturer has not filed a patent on this type of device ...

Uh, that's ironic?

https://www.econologie.com/forums/brevet-d-i ... t3947.html